Re: Indo-Uralic?

The contact theories should be judged on the basis of the linguistic
evidence rather than the other way around. Otherwise you will enter
circular reasoning.

Only a very small part of the etymologies are from something close to
PIE proper, most come from the later dialects, including some of the
etymologies containing laryngeal reflexes.

There seems to be continued contacts over a great span of time. I
have witten more on this in the intro at
http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/index.htm

See also Jorma Koivulehto's and Petri Kallios articles in:
- Bammesberger, Alfred. & Vennemann Theo (eds.): Languages in
Prehistoric Europe. Heidelberg 2003
as well as in:
- Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European: Linguistic and
Archeological Considerations (re:
http://linguistlist.org/issues/14/14-934.html)

Jouppe
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
wrote:

>
> Not of much use in my opinion. Uralic contacts were probably with

IE dialect

> speakers not PIE speakers.
>
> There is no PIE **c'næX as far as I know.
>
> The same for *c'nh-(i)e/o-, 'man'.
>
> There were, IMHO, no glottalized stops in PIE; by that time, they

had

> developed into voiced stops.
>
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
> To: "Rick McCallister" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Indo-Uralic?
>
>
> > At 11:54:50 PM on Monday, February 11, 2008, Rick
> > McCallister wrote:
> >
> > > I ran into this on line. Any validity to what he says?
> >
> > I've converted it to something readable, using SAMPA [X] and
> > [X\] for his IPA chi and crossed-h. -Brian
> >
> > > 1) PIE laryngeals correspond to PU fricative *X
> > > in cases like:
> > > -Finnish nai-/naa- 'woman' < PU *näXi-/*naXï- <= PIE
> > > *c'næX\-/ > Greek gune: 'woman', Sanskrit gná: 'Godess'
> >
> > > 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> > > *s^ in cases like:
> > > -Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen) 'human being' < PreFi *ins^i-
> > > (<**jins^i-) 'descendant' <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit
> > > já:- 'born, offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja-
> > > 'generation, lineage, kin'
> >
> > > 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> > > wordstems like:
> > > -Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en-
> > > (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic

asans 'summer'

> > > -Finnish kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad-
> > > 'to go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> > > Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit cárati
> > > 'goes, walks, wanders (about)?, cognate Lat. colere 'to
> > > till, cultivate, inhabit'
> > > -Finnish teke- 'do, make' ~ Hungarian tëv-, të-, tesz- 'to
> > > do, make, put, place' < PFU *teki- <= PIE *t,eh- > Greek
> > > títhe:mi, Sanskrit dádha:ti 'put, place', but 'do, make'
> > > in the western IE languages, e.g. the Germanic forms do,
> > > German tun, etc., and Latin facio:.
> >
> > > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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