Hobbit byggði jarðhús (was Re: Tolkien)

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
<originalpatricia@...> wrote:

> Tried it, did copy and paste 'n' all but the systen would not

let me through

Yeah, I've had that problem before. It's something to do with the
wraparound of the lines. You can paste each line separately, making
sure there's no space between them. Or you can type "cleasby
vigfusson" into Google and look it up from the index. I tried that
now and it comes up as the third link. This is the index, but it's
a long address too:

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oi_cleasbyvigfusson_abou
t.html

Or you can get to it from my links page:

http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/norselinks.htm

Llama Nom

> Growl (think Wolf)
> Patricia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: llama_nom
> To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:55 AM
> Subject: [norse_course] Hobbit byggði jarðhús (was Re: Tolkien)
>
>
>
>
> On the Illusion Bench? The Moon Bench?
>
>

http://penguin.pearson.swarthmore.edu/~scrist1/scanned_books/html/oi_

> cleasbyvigfusson/b0203.html
>
> Mysterious, huh? The more we learn the stranger things get.

> there a story behind that? It does sound a bit sinister, as

if to

> say you can never be too sure about what you find lying there

free

> for the taking and apparently too good to be true--which would

fit

> the context perfectly.
>
>
>
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
> <originalpatricia@...> wrote:
> > Hey LN Dear, you are a great person with whom to

correspond and

> for no real reason I suggest glambekk, has some tenuous

connection

> with glámsýni which is given as "illusion" for if illusion is
> something perceived but illusory then might this glambekk be
> something perceived in plain sight, yes and I get your pooint

20 in

> the whole world, it seems differently now. All

this "conversation"

> back and forth between so many people of common-interest, is a
> wonderful thing for me, it makes me want to study with even

greater

> application, I have never enjoyed a study more, thank you.
> > Patricia
> > Can you say if (as it seems to me) this glámbekk is a

compound

> word for I certainly was unable to find either of the two

halves

> glám and bekk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: llama_nom
> > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:55 PM
> > Subject: [norse_course] Hobbit byggði jarðhús (was Re:

Tolkien)

> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > There were a lot of rings to begin with L.N. dear
> >
> > Granted, but still that's only 20 in the whole world!

The

> Icelandic
> > idiom means I think that they could still be found lying
> around for
> > the taking:
> >
> > þegar slíkir hringir enn gátu legið á glámbekk í heiminum
> >
> > Which is quite evocative in its innocuousness; reminds

me of

> the
> > story of King Frodi. What exactly is a glámbekk? Does

> only
> > occur in this idiom?
> >
> > Of course the Faroese might have some extra connotation

> don't know
> > about, but it seems to just say that there were a lot of

them,

> > whereas "still at large in the world" doesn't really say
> whether
> > they were numerous or not, only that you could well bump

into

> one,
> > and that this might not be good thing for you! The

English

> maybe
> > had an extra note of danger, because typical things that

can

> be "at
> > large" are convicts on the run, highwaymen, lions,

escaped

> boxing
> > kangaroos, etc.
> >
> > Llama nom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
> > <originalpatricia@...> wrote:
> > > There were a lot of rings to begin with L.N. dear
> > >
> > > Three Rings fpr the Elven-Kings under the sky
> > > Seven for the Dwarf-Lords in their Halls of Stone
> > > Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die
> > > One for the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne
> > > In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie
> > >
> > > One Ring to rule them all one ring to find tem
> > > one Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind

them

> > > In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie
> > >
> > > Fact is That last line I find difficult to read it

makes

> me
> > shudder
> > > Blessings
> > > Patricia is that 20 or 21 in total
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: llama_nom
> > > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:47 PM
> > > Subject: [norse_course] Hobbit byggði jarðhús (was

Re:

> Tolkien)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry Patricia, I obviously didn't read your

message too

> > closely--I
> > > didn't spot that url in there! I found it

interesting

> anyway
> > to
> > > read through the Icelandic and Faroese quotes. A

lot of

> it I
> > just
> > > have to take on trust, in my ignorance, but

_mangir_

> seems odd
> > in
> > > the Faroese. I don't think "at large" necessarily

means

> that
> > there
> > > were a lot of these rings knocking around in the

Old

> Days.
> > Mind
> > > you, trying to pin down exactly what it does

imply, I

> can see
> > that
> > > might be a tricky one...
> > >
> > > > "þat gegnir
> > > > sællífi" for "that means comfort" is pure

genius.

> > > > Said Haukur -
> > > > I have to agree,
> > >
> > > Aw come on folks, the only pure genius around here

> Tolkien
> > for
> > > writing the thing in the first place ;) The poem

here

> reminds
> > me of
> > > certain lines in the Eddic lays that seem really

really

> simple
> > but
> > > make the hairs on my neck stand on end, and I

don't know

> why:
> > Þat
> > > man hún fólkvíg fyrst í heimi "she remembers the

first

> war in
> > the
> > > world" & Vara þat nú né í gær "it wasn't now; it

wasn't

> > yesterday".
> > >
> > > Llama Nom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
> > > <originalpatricia@...> wrote:
> > > > http://www.neko.com/Hobbit_IS_FO.html When I
> > googled "Hobbit in
> > > Icelandic" I was asked if I really meant Hobbit in
> ICELAND -
> > Google
> > > are annoying when they do that. Eventually they

gave me

> the
> > url
> > > quoted here with a very interesting page of

extracts, I

> hope
> > they
> > > will be of interest
> > > > "þat gegnir
> > > > sællífi" for "that means comfort" is pure

genius.

> > > > Said Haukur -
> > > > I have to agree, But then the whole idea of
> translating
> > the
> > > Hobbit into Old Norse had a touch of Genius about

it.

> > > > I was impressed because I understood

immediately

> the
> > source,
> > > and went to my bookcase to find the well-thumbed

copy of

> The
> > Hobbit
> > > to compare.
> > > > Google are strange, I know of no reference of

Bilbo

> or
> > Frodo
> > > going to Iceland
> > > > Patricia
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Haukur Þorgeirsson
> > > > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:22 AM
> > > > Subject: [norse_course] Hobbit byggði

jarðhús (was

> Re:
> > Tolkien)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is probably way off the mark, but

here goes:

> > > > >
> > > > > Hobbit byggði jörðhús. Þat var eigi hola
> saurfull ok
> > aurig,
> > > drjúp
> > > > > ok blaut, eða maðkfull ok fúl, né enn hola

þurr

> ok
> > auð,
> > > söndug ok án
> > > > > sætis. Heldr var hobbithola, ok þat

gegnir

> sællífi.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is very amusing and well done :)
> > > > One correction; 'jörðhús' is, I think, not a
> > > > valid combination. The usual one

is 'jarðhús'.

> > > >
> > > > We might nativise 'hobbit' as 'hobbitr'
> or 'hobbiti'.
> > > > The last is one MI version. Another

is 'hobbi'. I

> think
> > > > it's actually a bit interesting *not* to

nativise

> it.
> > > > I wouldn't have thought of that. Nor would I

have

> thought
> > > > of some of the adjectives you use and I

think "þat

> gegnir
> > > > sællífi" for "that means comfort" is pure

genius.

> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hopefully someone will correct my

mistakes. I

> wonder
> > how
> > > the Modern
> > > > > Icelandic edition begins...
> > > >
> > > > I think yours is much more idiosyncratic and
> interesting.
> > > > The modern translations (I think there are

two)

> are
> > probably
> > > > too loyal to the English version to interest

us.

> > > >
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