Re: Res: [tied] pre Proto Indo-European *DAG at Lepenski Vir?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...>
wrote:

>
> Dagon/Dagan from Semitic DGN "grain, corn". I suspect a relation

with substratak Greek Kronos. Dagan was the Semitic equivalent of
Anatolian Kumarpish, evil god that bit Alalu's genitals, like Kronos
castrated Ouranos. I think Kronos < *IE grh2nos.

> Dagon's imagery as fish-tailed seems to be an influence of

Mesopotamic sea-god Ea/Enki/Oannes, perhaps due Semitic folk-
etymology of Dagon < dag "fish".

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> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Rau Eugen Doru <eugenrau@...>
> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 3 de Março de 2008 18:53:25
> Assunto: [tied] pre Proto Indo-European *DAG at Lepenski Vir?
>
> The story begins with those sculptured stones

found at Lepensi Vir,in

> the shape a fishy-human heads.
> Picture: http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ Image:Lepenski_

Vir_Head. JPG

>
> The puzzle is that the same idea appeared thousend years later as
> Dagan/Dagon in Near-East.
> My idea is that related to :
> -Nostratic:. Meaning: to brand. Georgian: dag-.
> -Proto-North- Dravidian : *dag- :"to shine";
> Here we could have in fact in a larger area root *DAG-: "to burn,
> cauterize, brand,"?
> I suppose a pre PIE (or proto-Aegean) *DAG:"shiny/ shining"? from

wich

> the later:
> -Proto-IE:*dAg' h- "day". (otherwise Proto-Indo-European

*dʰeg&# 688;- ("`to

> burn'").* dyew, "light of day"), and
> -Sumerian DAG:"day,bright, shining,light, day-break, dawn"?
> Maybe the source is the (burning)shining SUN.This word come to

ment

> either in sumerian :"spread/streched out,extend,cover" ,at least

some

> beeing also atributes of the sun.
>
> My hypothesys is that from this very *DAG:"shiny" ?
> (sparkling,flaming, brilliant, ...?)come later:
> Altaic/turkish DAG:"mountain" (covered with snow>shining peak,as

eg.

> Nemrut-Dag/Nimrud Dagh (Mount Nimrod)is)
> Pr.-Afr.As. *dag-'fish': Proto-Semitic *dag- 'fish':Hebrew
> day 'fish'(wich of corse is shining)
> DAG:"day-light" in PIE >> DAG:"day" in IE
> Avestan DAG:"tu burn" and in sanskrit Dag-da,together with
> dah/dahati:" to burn".See also European,(irish)
> daig/daigh :"flame,fire" and Dagaz wich symbolizes light at its
> height, much equated with summer.
>
> This DAG could be in that remote time that "shining-one" the
> heavenly,sky, ocean-sky deity,(above all/other deities?).
>
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thank you very much for your responce.

The discussion was not in my mind about final Dagan/Dagon as
possible final by-product .
Dag :"fish" appeared after that proto-roots *DAG wich existed before.
You told something related (in my pespective) only to a final stage.
What is true,that "fish" was related to "god" in early cultures and
religions (Harappa...).
I am not satisfied at all with your responce. I expected a long-
range one,and with a wider perspective.
Yours, Eugen Rau

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