From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 54907
Date: 2008-03-09
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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
>
>Chinese Mandarin san1 "three"
>and Tibetan gsum have a clear relationship
>with Uralic Hungarian ha:rom.
Of course those stupid Uralicists derive the Hungarian form
from PFU *kolmi (Finn. kolme, Saami gol'bmâ, Mordvin kolmo,
Mari këm ~ kuum, Udmurt kwin'(m-), Komi kujim; Mansi kuurem,
Xanty käälem, Hung három).
Miguel
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I let you explain how supposedly *kolmi :
with a short o and -l-
can become ha:rom with long a: and -r-
Mansi is long too : kuurem, xuurem, koorem.
Now Ostyak has xutem.
I let you explain how to get -t- out of -l-.
MAybe you have some magical wand(s)
to solve these implausible equations.
I maintain that *ka?-t?om explains everything.
You may not like it
I don't care. Punto.
Uralicists are not stupid.
They just should apply the comparative method,
look at the data, establish correspondances,
and reconstruct proto-forms according to that.
So far their work is worthless.
I won't make additional comments about -i-
which is indeed abysmal.
o_i should be ä_i in Finnish...
Arnaud
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>and Basque hiru with loss of -m
The Basque form is hirur, as shown by the dialects that
preserve the final flap -r. There is no room for *m there.
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There is no reason to say that the longest form
should be the original form.
That kind of prejudice is inadequate.
cantâre is not the original form of canere.
Arnaud
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Speculatively, the Basque form can derive from any of the
following pre-stages: {ptk0}i{ltd}u{td}. If we unite t/d as
T, that gives the following possibilities:
piluT piTuT
tiluT tiTuT
kiluT kiTuT
iluT iTuT
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I don't understand what this gibberish letter-game means.
Please explain.
Arnaud
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It is obviously tempting to choose *tilud, which would
connect the Basque form with PSem. *t_ala:t_ (c^ala:c^),
PBerber *s^rad. ~ *k.rad. and PIE *trej-/tr.ti- (<
**tiláti).
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Connection between PIE *trey < *tley
and Semitic th_l_th is fairly obvious.
I agree with this point.
Now
Basque hiru and
Etruscan ki
do look alike.
Arnaud
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