Re: park, was *pVs- for cat

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>
> Gentlemen:
> Your arguments are intersting but cut out the insults
> lest you give us all of us crackpot lunatics a bad
> name.
>
> park is an intersting word
> 1. It can't be Q-Celtic
> 2. It couldn't have been borowed by Goidelic until
> after 500-600 AD because early Old Irish
> systematically replaced /p/ with /kw/ then /k/

In loans from p-Celtic, you mean?
Everything is temporary, so there must have been a time before that
period where Old Irish didn't do that. If it replaced /p/ > /kW/ only
in loans from p-Celtic as it loaned them, earlier loans in p- would
have survived. If it replaced all /p/'s with /kW/'s, all words in p-
must be loaned later than 500-600AD and will be NWBlock words in English.

> 3. It can't be native to Germanic
> 4. the final -k does seem to be a suffix, see Spanish
> parra "trellis, grid, etc."

That's another NWBlock word; it goes with Engl. bar, Germ. Barre,
Germ. sperren "block".

>--which seems to mean the
> same as Latin carcer "jail" but originally "grid", if
> I remember correctly.

But that would make the second -k- the NWBlock suffix *-(V)k and then
the final -r would be yet another suffix, and that's not NWBlock.
Ernout-Meillet sees a connection to cancri: "grid" etc.

> This makes me wonder if it's a
> P-Celtic word --but this presupposes that either the
> Latin root was *kwar- or that somehow *kar mutated to
> *kwar. So are there any IE *kar-, *kwar- words that
> mean "enclosure, grid" etc.?

Carcer has /a/ in the root and is a 'mot populaire'. Ernout-Meillet
has no derivation for it. Probable loan.


Torsten