Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:25:33 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>>
>> On 2007-03-07 22:44, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>>
>> > Long in Clasical Period, but 'as I know' it wasn't a long-o 'at the
>> > beginning'...
>>
>> _What_ beginning? _How_ do you know it was once short? And how did it
>> become long?
>>
>> Piotr
>
>
>1. the laryngeal-h was lost in *h1romh-
>
>2. As result, 'I expect' the compensatory lengthening of the short-o :
>*h1romh-eh2 > *ro:m-a:

No, that doesn't happen. The syllable structure would be
*h1rom.Hah2, and the laryngeal would have been lost without
a trace.

>3. so 'at_the_beginning', I mean 'originary' (-> I'm very sorry for my
>English, seems that it wasn't at all clear enough) =>
>so 'at_the_beginning', we have a short-o 'in Rome' and the long-o has
>resulted from compensatory lenghtening of that short-o
>
>4. The presence of h after m, in *h1remh-, is indicated, as I said, by
>the Lithuanian form (Lith. r'imti)

rìmti (1sg. rìmstu) is a zero grade form (< *rm.-sk^é- or
*rm.H-ské-) and is inconclusive about the presence or not of
a laryngeal. The full grade form, rem~ti, on the other hand,
clearly indicates there was _no_ laryngeal. This is
confirmed by LIV, which gives the verbal root as *h1rem-
"ruhig werden". The only forms which _might_ point to a
set.-root (laryngeally ended) are the na:-presents in
Sanskrit and Tocharian, but they are secondary (thus LIV).

If Skt. ra:man "peace, quiet" is from *romen-, that would
also indicate an anit.-root: in a set.-root *romHen- the
/o/, in a closed syllable, would have been short.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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