Re: Latin va:gi:na - PIE ?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 45312
Date: 2006-07-11

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Thinking further about this root, I came to conclusion that its
> > primary form *wa:g- should has yielded also Alb. <vozgë> 'barrel,
> > cask, tun' as an metathetic form of <vog•zë> and denominal
> > <vozgo•n> 'to put in barrel, cask, tun'.
> > In any way we have to deal with the hollow part of body, wood,
> > fiber, that could be filled.
> > Much interesting are idioms <i zë vang> 'to take like pretext,
> > literaly 'to find hollow parts in something' or <i gjej
> > vegzën> 'id.', <i lidh vegzat> 'to tie separated, splited parts'.
> > I wander did here took part adjective <i vëngër> 'cross-eyed'
with
> > primary meaning 'angry, crazy' (cf. <shikoi vëngër> 'to look
> someone
> > with anger'), for, to my view, I find it related to Slavic
> > <popizditi> 'to get crazy', probably derived from
<pizda> 'vagina'.
>
> The more I looked at the reflexes of *wag- (Danish vang "field in a
> three-phase rotation scheme", vange "sides (of eg. a ladder), Germ.
> Wange "cheek", and several meaning "curved, crooked" the more
> confused I got. Until I thought of how one made spoked wheels.
> A wheel consists of a hub (nave), some spokes and a rim. And the
rim
> is made up of curved pieces, into which are bored a hole into which
> the spoke is inserted, and finally a steel band is heated and
shrunk
> on, which keeps in place those pieces, the names of which must have
> had something to do with *wag-. This is not very dissimilar to
barrel-
> making. Note the a-, it is therefore a loan into the IE languages
> that arrived latest in Europe (also a- in Latin 'va:gi:na') from a
> language that arrived earlier. That language might have been an IE
> one, if the 'proper' IE root *weg- "transport" is a cognate.
>


I googled 'trevangsbrug' "agricultural three-phase rotation scheme".
Wrt to Denmark, it seems that
1) contrary to prevailing thought that it is a product of the 13th
century, it existed already in the period 400-550 CE, in Early
Germanic Iron age.
http://www.fagboginfo.dk/Inultre/inultrezl.htm
search 'dyrkningsrotation'

2) it did not exist in North and West Jutland, ie. those areas that
were relatively unaffected by the early Germanic invasion (no
placenames in -lev/-løv)
http://tinyurl.com/omlvn p. 4

I hope cybalisters can make some sense of the Danish.


Torsten