Re: Latin va:gi:na - PIE ?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
>
> Until I thought of how one made spoked wheels.
> > A wheel consists of a hub (nave), some spokes and a rim. And the
> rim
> > is made up of curved pieces, into which are bored a hole into
> which
> > the spoke is inserted, and finally a steel band is heated and
> shrunk
> > on, which keeps in place those pieces, the names of which must
> have
> > had something to do with *wag-. This is not very dissimilar to
> barrel-
> > making. Note the a-, it is therefore a loan into the IE

languages

> > that arrived latest in Europe (also a- in Latin 'va:gi:na') from

a

> > language that arrived earlier. That language might have been an

IE

> > one, if the 'proper' IE root *weg- "transport" is a cognate.
> >
> >
> > Torsten
> ************
> Dear Torsten,
> I must really confess that <wheel> (Alb. <rrota>) and <vagina>

(Alb.

> <pidh>) are for sure, in many expressions, synonimic pair, like in
> insults: <Shko në pidh të samës!> 'Go to mother's vagina!' and

<Shko

> në rrotë të samës> 'id.'; also <pidhi i samës> 'very clever,

brave;

> literaly _mother's vagina_' and <rrota e samës> 'id.'
> Because there are some roots that ended in velar, as well as in
> palatal, phonetically speaking, *weg- and *weg'- could be related.
>

That puts new light on the many wheel symbols in petroglyphs.
Personally, I think that
the palatals originally alternated k/c^ (or s^ or futher towards s),
the labiovelars originally alternated kW/k
both depending on context (probably on the following vowel being
front or back), and that
the velars did not alternate, since they occurred in loans.
(The kentum and satem languages would later generalise one side of
the alternants, k,kW and k,c^, respectively).

As for "sheath", I believe the two sides were riveted together?
Which would make the whole construction ladder-like.


Torsten