Re: Cardinal and Ordinal Integers

--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>"
<tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> >
>
> > > The root *kir seems to be related to *kwel e.g. *kwer/*kwir. No?
> >
> > Nope. Latin *kirk- seems somehow related to Gk.
> kirkos/krikos 'ring' and possibly to Lat. curvus 'bent'. These

words

> cannot be related to *kWel-.
> >
> > Piotr
>
> Not within IE. But it is of course possible to speculate that both
> were borrowed from a non-IE source and that outside of IE they

might

> possibly be related.
>
> Torsten

Her's another idea. The kW- of the "wheel" word is untypical of
the "turn, bend" words I've mentioned in another posting. Suppose the
word was borrowed first in an IA language as *kekl- (> c^akr-), then
borrowed into Western IE as *kWekWl- (cf the Irish "cadraig" loans:
Irish p- corresponding to Latin c- since it was borrowed through
Welsh, and "their p is our k").

Torsten