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"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...> wrote:
> I thought this was a Nostratic
list. It is obvious that there is
at
> least one *kir root. And there
> must be at least one *kwel root
because IEanists say so.
The problem here is that there seem
to be a lot of *different* kVR
roots with a meaning like 'curve'.
See e.g.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nostr
atica/90 .
Richard.
[EOM]--------------------
> How does one go about finding
roots anyway? It seems when Jones
got
> started he had
> to look at lots of languages and
decide that some of them resembled
each
> other and
> then it too another 200 years to
come to the point where we have N
different
> protosounds for *PIE.
>
> It would seem that there could
also be M protosounds for Nostratic
and
> to do that
> we have to use the "heuristic",
the [in]famous heuristic.
>
> Do do you propose that we look
for words like *KVL K=[k,kw,g,q],
V=some
> vowel
> and L=[l,r]. That sounds like the
kind of heuristic used by
linguists.
>
> What do you have against it? Or
have you decided to use statistics
> after all?
>
> Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "H.M. Hubey"
<hubeyh@...>
> > To:
<
Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 01,
2003 6:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nostratica]
Cardinal and Ordinal Integers
> >
> >
> > > I see kir, kur, kri and it
seems like kur has to be explained
as
> > kw-, and it is pretty easy to
see the connection between *kir and
> > *kil, etc. all meaning "round".
The root of all these has to be
*kVL
> > where L=liquid. and V=vowel.
> >
> > It so happens that *kWir-
cannot give <cur-> or <cir-> in
Latin.
> > Similarity does not mean a
historical connection. There are
many
> > reasons why two roots may be
similar -- including coincidence,
of
> > course. You greatly increase
the likelihood of accidental
similarity
> > by using wildcard symbols for
"any vowel" and "any liquid". Now
if any
> > language has a word like "kil",
"kel", "kal", "kol", "kul", "kir",
> > "ker", "kar", "kor" or "kur"
meaning 'round', 'wheel', 'circle',
> > 'crooked', etc., you will "see
a connection" (you can see even
more
> > connections if you use "any
velar" instead of *k). By contrast,
> > orthodox linguists will ask you
to explain the details of the
relation
> > to rule out chance agreement
(which you obviously can't do).
> >
> >
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