Re: Cardinal and Ordinal Integers

--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...> wrote:

> I thought this was a Nostratic

list. It is obvious that there is
at

> least one *kir root. And there
> must be at least one *kwel root

because IEanists say so.
The problem here is that there seem
to be a lot of *different* kVR
roots with a meaning like 'curve'.
See e.g.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nostr
atica/90 .
Richard.
[EOM]--------------------

> How does one go about finding

roots anyway? It seems when Jones
got

> started he had
> to look at lots of languages and

decide that some of them resembled
each

> other and
> then it too another 200 years to

come to the point where we have N
different

> protosounds for *PIE.
>
> It would seem that there could

also be M protosounds for Nostratic
and

> to do that
> we have to use the "heuristic",

the [in]famous heuristic.

>
> Do do you propose that we look

for words like *KVL K=[k,kw,g,q],
V=some

> vowel
> and L=[l,r]. That sounds like the

kind of heuristic used by
linguists.

>
> What do you have against it? Or

have you decided to use statistics

> after all?
>
> Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "H.M. Hubey"

<hubeyh@...>

> > To:

<Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Saturday, February 01,

2003 6:33 PM

> > Subject: Re: [Nostratica]

Cardinal and Ordinal Integers

> >
> >
> > > I see kir, kur, kri and it

seems like kur has to be explained
as

> > kw-, and it is pretty easy to

see the connection between *kir and

> > *kil, etc. all meaning "round".

The root of all these has to be
*kVL

> > where L=liquid. and V=vowel.
> >
> > It so happens that *kWir-

cannot give <cur-> or <cir-> in
Latin.

> > Similarity does not mean a

historical connection. There are
many

> > reasons why two roots may be

similar -- including coincidence,
of

> > course. You greatly increase

the likelihood of accidental
similarity

> > by using wildcard symbols for

"any vowel" and "any liquid". Now
if any

> > language has a word like "kil",

"kel", "kal", "kol", "kul", "kir",

> > "ker", "kar", "kor" or "kur"

meaning 'round', 'wheel', 'circle',

> > 'crooked', etc., you will "see

a connection" (you can see even
more

> > connections if you use "any

velar" instead of *k). By contrast,

> > orthodox linguists will ask you

to explain the details of the
relation

> > to rule out chance agreement

(which you obviously can't do).

> >
> >
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