From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 69725
Date: 2012-06-01
>Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
>> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Since we agree that 1) all Ligurian innovations but */gwh/ > /b/ and
>> > */-rT-/ > /-arT-/ are shared with Celtic (and with other IE classes as
>> > well, but never more or even just as systematically as with Celtic)
>> > and 2) /-arT-/ can be explained as outcome of a lengthened grade, we
>> > are left with */gwh/ > /b/.
>> DGK:
>> Uh, no, _I_ did not agree that there were only two isoglosses. Those two
>> are simply the most obvious. Another, noted by Petracco Sicardi in "Top.
>> prerom. e rom. della Liguria" (pp. 9-82 of "Top. stor. della Liguria",
>> Genova 1981), is */-dt-/ > /-st-/, occurring in Blustiemelum and
>> Clastidium. P.S. (p. 39) derives Lig. *blusto- from *bHlud-to-, from the
>> extended root *bHleu-d- 'to swell, well up, overflow' vel sim. She takes
>> *-iema as a collective or abstract, so Blustiemelum might be understood as
>> 'place of frequent flooding, place of abundant landslips' vel sim. For
>> Clastidium, rather than *kl.d-to- from the root *keld- which she suggests
>> (pp. 45-6), which would yield Lig. *kalsto-, I believe we need
>> *kl.h1d-to-, Lig. *kla:sto-, from *kelh1-d- 'to strike hard, strike down'
>> vel sim., the zero-grade providing also the base of Latin <cla:de:s>.
>>
>> Another isogloss is */-onC-/ < */-n.C-/ in Blondelia, from *bHln.dHo-
>> 'reddish, ruddy', Gmc. *blunda-, Skt. bradhna- (P.S. p. 39).
>
> Oops, I must retract this one. Blondelia (Tab. Vel. twice) is
> morphologically parallel to Roudelius (also Tab. Vel. twice, P.S. p. 69).
> The latter almost certainly contains the /o/-grade of another color-term,
> *h1roudH- 'red', so Blondelia very likely contains the /o/-grade *bHlondH-
> 'reddish, ruddy', regardless of the grade reflected in Gmc. and Indic.
>
> Therefore, I have no evidence that PIE */-n.-/ provides an isogloss between
> Ligurian and Gaulish. In fact, if */-n.-/ became Lig. /-an-/, as in Gaul.,
> the river Tanarus (Plin., now Ta`naro, P.S. p. 74) can be tentatively
> reconstructed as *tn.h2-ro'-, corradical with *tn.h2-wo'-, Grk. <tanao's>
> 'outstretched, tapered, long and thin', from a set.-root *tenh2- 'to stretch
> to the limit' vel sim. The Ta`naro is a rather long tributary of the Po
> (171 miles, whatever that is in euro-kilo-meters, about 260?), so perhaps
> this is not too much of an etymological stretch.
>
> DGK