Re: Ligurian Barga and */p/ (was: Ligurian)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@> wrote:
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> > [...]
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> > Since we agree that 1) all Ligurian innovations but */gwh/ > /b/ and
> > */-rT-/ > /-arT-/ are shared with Celtic (and with other IE classes as
> > well, but never more or even just as systematically as with Celtic)
> > and 2) /-arT-/ can be explained as outcome of a lengthened grade, we
> > are left with */gwh/ > /b/.
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> Uh, no, _I_ did not agree that there were only two isoglosses. Those two are simply the most obvious. Another, noted by Petracco Sicardi in "Top. prerom. e rom. della Liguria" (pp. 9-82 of "Top. stor. della Liguria", Genova 1981), is */-dt-/ > /-st-/, occurring in Blustiemelum and Clastidium. P.S. (p. 39) derives Lig. *blusto- from *bHlud-to-, from the extended root *bHleu-d- 'to swell, well up, overflow' vel sim. She takes *-iema as a collective or abstract, so Blustiemelum might be understood as 'place of frequent flooding, place of abundant landslips' vel sim. For Clastidium, rather than *kl.d-to- from the root *keld- which she suggests (pp. 45-6), which would yield Lig. *kalsto-, I believe we need *kl.h1d-to-, Lig. *kla:sto-, from *kelh1-d- 'to strike hard, strike down' vel sim., the zero-grade providing also the base of Latin <cla:de:s>.
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> Another isogloss is */-onC-/ < */-n.C-/ in Blondelia, from *bHln.dHo- 'reddish, ruddy', Gmc. *blunda-, Skt. bradhna- (P.S. p. 39).

Oops, I must retract this one. Blondelia (Tab. Vel. twice) is morphologically parallel to Roudelius (also Tab. Vel. twice, P.S. p. 69). The latter almost certainly contains the /o/-grade of another color-term, *h1roudH- 'red', so Blondelia very likely contains the /o/-grade *bHlondH- 'reddish, ruddy', regardless of the grade reflected in Gmc. and Indic.

Therefore, I have no evidence that PIE */-n.-/ provides an isogloss between Ligurian and Gaulish. In fact, if */-n.-/ became Lig. /-an-/, as in Gaul., the river Tanarus (Plin., now Ta`naro, P.S. p. 74) can be tentatively reconstructed as *tn.h2-ro'-, corradical with *tn.h2-wo'-, Grk. <tanao's> 'outstretched, tapered, long and thin', from a set.-root *tenh2- 'to stretch to the limit' vel sim. The Ta`naro is a rather long tributary of the Po (171 miles, whatever that is in euro-kilo-meters, about 260?), so perhaps this is not too much of an etymological stretch.

DGK