Re: Family terms [was: Kluge's Law in Italic?]

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> W dniu 2012-02-21 21:29, dgkilday57 pisze:
>
> > Note also Greek <órthros> 'cockcrow, the moment before the Sun appears'
> > (Hesiod, Phrynichus), otherwise 'dawn, early morn'. This has zero-grade
> > of the root *h3er- 'to make rise'.
>
> But, unlike the nomina instrumenti in *-tRo-, which are all either
> neuter or feminine (old collectives absorbed into the feminine gender),
> it's masculine, so it isn't likely to be the same formation.

Right. It is not an instrument.

> > Likewise <árthron> 'joint' has zero-grade of *h2/4er- 'to join'.
>
> Not that it matters, but why not full-grade?

I suppose it could be, but I was trying to establish a grouping.

> > Also <báthron> 'threshold, step,
> > ladder', since it goes with <baíno:> 'I go, walk, step', has zero-grade
> > of *gWem-, not a laryngeal-final root.
>
> *gWem- and *gWeh2- (Skt. pres. jíga:ti, Gk. aor. ébe:) etc.are
> synonymous roots. Both are found in Greek, Armenian, Indo-Iranian and
> Baltic (at least), so <báthron> could easily be analysed as *gWah2-trom
> à la mode d'Olsen.

But the acute accent requires a short vowel, so it must be zero-grade.

DGK