Re: Family terms [was: Kluge's Law in Italic?]

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
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> > > I have already argued that oxytone *-dHló- is a compound suffix, with deverbal *-ló- attached to the zero-grade of a root extended by *-dH-. Thus in my view Lat. <stabulum> continues *st&4-dH-ló-, just as Grk. <stathmós> continues *st&4-dH-mó-. I now think that barytone *-dHlo- is also a compound suffix. Words like Grk. <zeúgle:> 'collar of a yoke', Lat. <sella> 'seat', and Go. <sitls> 'id.' testify to a PIE suffix *-lo-/*-leh2- taking normal grade. Beside Grk. <génethlon> and Lat. <fa:bula> I would place Skt. <várdhras> 'girdle, strap, belt', PIE *wér-dH-lo-, from *wer- 'to surround, contain, cover', the root reflected in Skt. <vr.n.óti> 'surrounds, covers, protects'.
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> > The only Greek words in -thron not after a V (indicating a former "laryngeal") are also -rthr- :
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> > térthron = *edge > end (of shipping yard)
> > árthron = joint G;
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> Note also Greek <órthros> 'cockcrow, the moment before the Sun appears' (Hesiod, Phrynichus), otherwise 'dawn, early morn'. This has zero-grade of the root *h3er- 'to make rise'.

I know of no reason not to connect this to:

(w)orthós = upright / (vertically) straight G; u:rdhvá- = upright/raised/elevated/upward S;

having nothing to do w supposed *-dHro- in 'tool' words.

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Likewise <árthron> 'joint' has zero-grade of *h2/4er- 'to join'. Also <báthron> 'threshold, step, ladder', since it goes with <baíno:> 'I go, walk, step', has zero-grade of *gWem-, not a laryngeal-final root.

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Wrong.

> On the other hand <térthron> has /e/-grade, so it is possible that Sanskrit <várdhras> reflects *wér-dH-ro- rather than *wér-dH-lo-. Whether it does or does not is immaterial to the etymology of Latin <stabulum>, <fa:bula>, etc., since Greek <génethlon> already shows that inherited IE formations in *-dH-lo- occur.
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They show nothing of the kind. Read my earlier message about tr > dR / dHX_ / etc.