Re: Re[4]: [cybalist_admin] Re: Reaching Down (was: Comparative Note

From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 60650
Date: 2008-10-07

At 12:53:17 PM on Tuesday, October 7, 2008, Arnaud Fournet
wrote:

> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>

>>>>> Sometimes, wide-spread words are LWs when isolate
>>>>> words are in fact cognates, so I'm not sure this
>>>>> reasoning is really adequate.

>>>> You're missing the point. Richard isn't claiming that
>>>> using the proto-language instead of choosing from its
>>>> daughters *guarantees* that you won't find false
>>>> cognates; he's merely claiming -- correctly -- that you
>>>> are much likelier to get them if you allow yourself to
>>>> choose from the daughters. The probability that a word
>>>> reconstructible for the proto-language is actually native
>>>> to the family is clearly higher than the probability that
>>>> a word chosen at random from one of the daughters is
>>>> native to the family.

>>> I understand the argument but I'm not convinced. There
>>> are counter examples.

>> The fact that you can talk about counterexamples shows that
>> you do *not* understand the argument. The argument doesn't
>> deny the existence of widespread loanwords.

> I understand the argument,

I'm sorry, but the fact that you think that widely
distributed loanwords are counterexamples to the argument
shows very clearly that you do not understand it.

[...]

>>> What are Ringe and April McMahon investigating ?

>> I told you: quantitative techniques for doing historical
>> linguistics.

> Do you references for their work ?

You can easily find them on the web.

Brian