Re: Volcae and Volsci

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
> > >
> > > At 5:21:12 PM on Sunday, April 6, 2008,
> > fournet.arnaud
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@>
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >> Afrikaans is a creolized Dutch.
> > >
> > > > Afrikaans looks like a dialect of Dutch.
> > >
> > > That might be a little bit too strong, but it certainly is
> > > descended from 17th century Dutch.
> > >
> > > > It never stopped to be spoken by a majority of people
> > > > whose mother tongue was a set of dialectal varieties of
> > > > Dutch.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Since it was extraterritorial, it was subject to
> > > contact influences different from those of the (European)
> > > Dutch dialects, but 'creolized Dutch' is a gross exaggeration.
> >
> > Tell it to Wikipedia
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dutch-based_pidgins_and_creoles
> >
> > I think linguistics needs a category of 'partially preserved,
> > partially creolized languages' and after I place Afrikaans there,
> > I'd place all the central Germanic languages.
> >
> >
> > Torsten
> >
>
> Before Brian skins you alive,

Would that be before or after he tells me why feels he can pontificate
on Afrikaans without ever having seen a grammar for it?

> elaborate on why you think the Central Gmc language are all
> "partially creolized".

Reduction or elimination of person and number paradigm for verbs,
reduction or elimination of case and number paradigm for nouns,
reduction or elimination of case, number and definiteness paradigm for
adjectives.

> Also define what central Gmc is for you
> --since Gmc is normally divided into N, W & E

All the Germanic languages with the exception of Icelandic and High
German.


Torsten