Re: Taurisci and Przeworsk

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> > > ****GK: The Taurisci of Noricum were La Tene as to
> > > material culture. While Przeworsk counts as one of the
> > > "LaTenized" cultures of eastern Europe (along with
> > > Zarubyntsi, Poeneshti-Lukashovka and others). La Tene
> > > is as Continental Celtic as it gets. Przeworsk(et
> > > al.)would exhibit some La Tene influence,but would
> > > otherwise be easily distinguishable from La Tene
> > > proper.****
> >
> > So I guess, given geography, whatever Latène influence is
> > discernible in Przeworsk, it would have come from the Taurisci
> > (those Celtic cultures to the west in Thuringia etc the
> > Przeworskers were later to overrun were not solidly Celtic)?
>
>
> ****GK: The Celtic La Tene "push to the East" involved
> many groups, of which only a few names are known. The
> Taurisci were active south of the Danube, as were the
> Scordisci. There were also groups north of the Danube,
> whose specific names have not survived, such as those
> who settled in Transcarpathia, and those near Cracow,
> and those of Silesia (whom archaeologists connect with
> the emergence of Przeworsk along with the Jastorfers),
> and the "Galatae" who threatened Olbia ca. 240 BCE,
> and those who left the Kobr- placenames in Western
> Ukraine (possibly involved in Zarubintsi c.
> development). There is no established link between the
> known Taurisci and Przeworsk other than the general La
> Tene cultural aspects. Note also that the Taurisci
> south of the Danube also mingled with local
> tribes.****

We know from Ptolemy that in 160 CE the Teuriochaimai were somewhere
in Bohemia
http://tinyurl.com/3dmufs
(this author is led to move Ptolemy's placement of them from 'north of
the Sudeten range', ie. in today's Czech lands, to 'north of the
Erzgebirge', ie in Saxony or Thuringia, by his desire to explain the
name of the Hermunduri/Thuringi; let's stick to what Ptolemy actually
says. Now, if Boiohaim- is the now Germanic former home of the Boii,
then Teuriochaim- must be the now (160 CE) Germanic former home of the
Teuri-. Which means at some time before that we would have the
Taurisci in Bohemia and the Przeworsk in Silesia.


The first we hear of Ariovistist is his encounter with Q. Metellus
Celer in 62 BCE. That is four, not fourteen years before he meets
Caesar. It seems unreasonable to assume that he became the ally of the
Sequani and Arverni much before that time, there is no reaction from
the Romans before that and fourteen years seems an excessive time for
Ariovistus to have run his racket in Gallia, after so long time,
colonization would have forced the Arverni and Ardui out. So I think,
given the also small timespan of the appearance of the Thuringia
(Central Germania) and Wetterau Przeworsk expansions that it is a
reasonable assumption that Ariovist led the Suevi etc all the way from
Przeworsk to Thuringia to Wetterau to Gallia.


Torsten