From: Rick McCallister
Message: 54827
Date: 2008-03-07
> If you think I am agreeing with you, try Wikipediacolor:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px
> for the heading 'reading
> comprehension'.
>
> I still deny that proposition.
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Jupiter
>
>
> > So now you agree with me. How malleable you are!
> > My point was that the Romans added all the
> > accoutrements of Zeus and transformed Jupiter to a
> > clone of Zeus. You orginally denied that and now
> you
> > accept it.
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >
> > > You are completely right, Joao.
> > >
> > > What some whose only source of information is
> > > Wikipedia do not seem to
> > > understand is that myths, however intrinsically
> > > fascinating, do not affect
> > > cult and cultural significance except very
> > > marginally.
> > >
> > > For the very shallow, myths are religion.
> > >
> > > The sky/weather god, who is usually associated
> with
> > > the planet Jupiter,
> > > represents Dumézil's tripartite sovereignty
> > > â?"â?"â?" not warriordom as one list
> > > writer ignorantly opined.
> > >
> > > One feature of ancient religion that Dumézil
> > > missed, and I also did for a
> > > long time, is that the sovereign god is _not_
> the
> > > creator god, which strikes
> > > most of us, who have been brought up in
> Christian
> > > culture as passing
> > > strange.
> > >
> > > And what I missed altogether for many years is
> the
> > > connection of this
> > > creator god, who precedes all others, with the
> North
> > > Pole, and the Northern
> > > Circumpolar Region in general; and with time.
> > >
> > > Strangely, this creator god has been eclipsed by
> his
> > > sons and daughters in
> > > almost all religions with the notable exception
> of
> > > Judaism, where Yahweh,
> > > who is an indelicately mixed bag of attributes,
> > > still _invisibly_ represents
> > > him.
> > >
> > > Any of the gods and goddesses could fight and
> enter
> > > human conflicts but the
> > > war-god, in addition to his martial arts, is
> usually
> > > regarded with more fear
> > > than admiration because of his manic rage,
> during
> > > the passage of which even
> > > the family pets are not safe. This god, not
> > > surprisingly, is associated with
> > > intoxicants of all kinds. Berserker rage was an
> > > artificially encouraged if
> > > not initiated condition.
> > >
> > > The only thing I would question in your factual
> > > presentation below is adding
> > > So:te:r to Jupiter's nomenclature. This is, of
> > > course, Greek; and savior in
> > > the commonly understood sense, is not one of
> > > Jupiter's usual functions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:30 AM
> > > Subject: Res: [tied] Jupiter
> > >
> > >
> > > Before the Greek influence, Iupiter was very
> similar
> > > to Zeus, due his common
> > > IE source (Dyeus=Zeus=Jupiter) and previous
> Greek
> > > influence in Etruscan
> > > mythology (Tinia=Zeus). The main influence of
> Greeks
> > > in Jupiter was that
> > > Roman Jupiter absorbed all myths from Greek
> Zeus,
> > > his children, genealogy,
> > > and tales. Roman Iupiter was not son of Saturn
> > > before being assimilated to
> > > Zeus son Kronos.
> > >
> > > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > > De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > Para: Cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 6 de Março de 2008
> 21:15:15
> > > Assunto: [tied] Jupiter
> > >
> > > Here's what Wikipedia has to
> say
> > > (1st section)
> > > Note that Jupiter held the same role as Zeus
> --i.e.
> > > Jupiter had been assimilated to Zeus. Note the
> Greek
> > > title Soter. This is, of course, after the
> Romans
> > > had
> > > assimilated much of Greek culture.
> > >
> > > In Roman mythology, Jupiter (Iuppiter in Latin)
> held
> > > the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He
> was
> > > called Juppiter Optimus Maximus Soter (Jupiter
> Best,
> > > Greatest, Saviour); as the patron deity of the
> Roman
> > > state, he ruled over laws and social order. He
> was
> > > the
> > > chief god of the Capitoline Triad, with Juno and
> > > Minerva. In Latin mythology Jupiter is the
> father of
> > > Mars. Therefore, Jupiter is the grandfather of
> > > Romulus
> > > and Remus, the founders of Rome.
> > > Iuppiter, originating in a vocative compound
> derived
> > > from archaic Latin Iovis and pater (Latin for
> > > father),
> > > was also used as the nominative case. Jove[1] is
> a
> > > less common English formation based on Iov-, the
> > > stem
> > > of oblique cases of the Latin name.
> Additionally,
> > > linguistic studies identify his name as deriving
> > > from
> > > the Indo-European compound *dyēus-
> pəter-
> > > ("O Father God"), the Indo-European deity from
> whom
> > > also derive the Germanic *Tiwaz (from whose name
> > > comes
> > > the word Tuesday), the Greek Zeus, and the Vedic
> > > equivalent, Dyaus Pita.
> > >
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