From: Rick McCallister
Message: 54826
Date: 2008-03-07
> Absolutely untrue.____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> As Joao and I have told you: they both stem from a
> common source.
>
> You need to read Harrison.
>
> I did not say Jupiter was a "nature spirit".
>
> He is not a big elf.
>
> He represents sovereignty. Controlling the weather
> is only one of the ways
> he demonstrates his supreme dominion -- but only
> one.
>
> *p&te:r- is not 'biological father' but
> family/clan/tribe leader.
>
> Greek and Roman religion resembled each other long
> before they came into
> regular contact.
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Swiftness of Indra
>
>
> > I didn't say he was a nature spirit, you just did.
> But
> > you do have a point in saying that he was because
> a
> > storm god IS a nature spirit
> > Roman religion was originally quite different from
> > Greek religion --at least as different as
> Germanic,
> > Indian, etc. were from Greek
> >
> >
> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Swiftness of Indra
> > >
> > >
> > > > After contact with Greek religion, Jupiter
> became
> > > a
> > > > clone of Zeus. Before contact with Greek
> religion,
> > > > Roman religion was based on nature spirits and
> > > > reverence to ancestors
> > > > Afterwards, it virtually merged with Greek
> > > religion
> > > > Read the Wikipedia sites on Roman Mythology,
> > > Etruscan
> > > > Mythology, et al.
> > > > I'm guessing you've never read anything about
> > > these
> > > >
> > > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You are always full of specious
> generalizations
> > > > > straight out of Wiki.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, you can show I am wrong by discussing
> > > briefly
> > > > > what changed in the
> > > > > Roman conception of Jupiter after contact
> with
> > > the
> > > > > Greeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > So, Jupiter was a nature spirit? How little you
> know
> > > of Roman religion!
> > >
> > > Roman and Greek religions both are further
> > > individual developments from the
> > > religion of the Indo-European speakers who
> brought
> > > them forth.
> > >
> > > In that early religion, the supreme god was the
> > > weather/sky-god, of whom
> > > Zeus is the Greek representative and Jupiter the
> > > Roman one.
> > >
> > > Having had the same origin, it is quite natural
> that
> > > they had many traits in
> > > common. If the Romans had never come into actual
> > > contact with the Greek,
> > > Zeus and Jupiter would have resembled each
> other.
> > >
> > > Actually, I have read a great deal about ancient
> > > religion; and, at my
> > > website, I have a separate section of several
> essays
> > > under the rubric
> > > Proto-Religion.
> > >
> > > Why not illustrate wuth an example or two how
> > > Jupiter was transformed by
> > > Roman contact with Greece.
> > >
> > > Was he a nature spirit before? Was Zeus?
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.____________________________________________________________________________________
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> >
>