Re: Jupiter

If you think I am agreeing with you, try Wikipedia for the heading 'reading
comprehension'.

I still deny that proposition.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Jupiter

> So now you agree with me. How malleable you are!
> My point was that the Romans added all the
> accoutrements of Zeus and transformed Jupiter to a
> clone of Zeus. You orginally denied that and now you
> accept it.
> Thank you!
>
>
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> > You are completely right, Joao.
> >
> > What some whose only source of information is
> > Wikipedia do not seem to
> > understand is that myths, however intrinsically
> > fascinating, do not affect
> > cult and cultural significance except very
> > marginally.
> >
> > For the very shallow, myths are religion.
> >
> > The sky/weather god, who is usually associated with
> > the planet Jupiter,
> > represents DumÃ©zil's tripartite sovereignty
> > â?"â?"â?" not warriordom as one list
> > writer ignorantly opined.
> >
> > One feature of ancient religion that DumÃ©zil
> > missed, and I also did for a
> > long time, is that the sovereign god is _not_ the
> > creator god, which strikes
> > most of us, who have been brought up in Christian
> > culture as passing
> > strange.
> >
> > And what I missed altogether for many years is the
> > connection of this
> > creator god, who precedes all others, with the North
> > Pole, and the Northern
> > Circumpolar Region in general; and with time.
> >
> > Strangely, this creator god has been eclipsed by his
> > sons and daughters in
> > almost all religions with the notable exception of
> > Judaism, where Yahweh,
> > who is an indelicately mixed bag of attributes,
> > still _invisibly_ represents
> > him.
> >
> > Any of the gods and goddesses could fight and enter
> > human conflicts but the
> > war-god, in addition to his martial arts, is usually
> > regarded with more fear
> > than admiration because of his manic rage, during
> > the passage of which even
> > the family pets are not safe. This god, not
> > surprisingly, is associated with
> > intoxicants of all kinds. Berserker rage was an
> > artificially encouraged if
> > not initiated condition.
> >
> > The only thing I would question in your factual
> > presentation below is adding
> > So:te:r to Jupiter's nomenclature. This is, of
> > course, Greek; and savior in
> > the commonly understood sense, is not one of
> > Jupiter's usual functions.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:30 AM
> > Subject: Res: [tied] Jupiter
> >
> >
> > Before the Greek influence, Iupiter was very similar
> > to Zeus, due his common
> > IE source (Dyeus=Zeus=Jupiter) and previous Greek
> > influence in Etruscan
> > mythology (Tinia=Zeus). The main influence of Greeks
> > in Jupiter was that
> > Roman Jupiter absorbed all myths from Greek Zeus,
> > his children, genealogy,
> > and tales. Roman Iupiter was not son of Saturn
> > before being assimilated to
> > Zeus son Kronos.
> >
> > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> > Para: Cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 6 de MarÃ§o de 2008 21:15:15
> > Assunto: [tied] Jupiter
> >
> > Here's what Wikipedia has to say
> > (1st section)
> > Note that Jupiter held the same role as Zeus --i.e.
> > Jupiter had been assimilated to Zeus. Note the Greek
> > title Soter. This is, of course, after the Romans
> > had
> > assimilated much of Greek culture.
> >
> > In Roman mythology, Jupiter (Iuppiter in Latin) held
> > the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was
> > called Juppiter Optimus Maximus Soter (Jupiter Best,
> > Greatest, Saviour); as the patron deity of the Roman
> > state, he ruled over laws and social order. He was
> > the
> > chief god of the Capitoline Triad, with Juno and
> > Minerva. In Latin mythology Jupiter is the father of
> > Mars. Therefore, Jupiter is the grandfather of
> > Romulus
> > and Remus, the founders of Rome.
> > Iuppiter, originating in a vocative compound derived
> > from archaic Latin Iovis and pater (Latin for
> > father),
> > was also used as the nominative case. Jove[1] is a
> > less common English formation based on Iov-, the
> > stem
> > of oblique cases of the Latin name. Additionally,
> > linguistic studies identify his name as deriving
> > from
> > the Indo-European compound *dyēus- pəter-
> > ("O Father God"), the Indo-European deity from whom
> > also derive the Germanic *Tiwaz (from whose name
> > comes
> > the word Tuesday), the Greek Zeus, and the Vedic
> > equivalent, Dyaus Pita.
> >
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