Re: PIE *a -- a preliminary checklist

If I counted right you can find 21 Pre-Finnic words on my site
http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/lexicon.htm with reflexes of
laryngeals. The list is not exhaustive for reasons that I explain in
the intro. Most of the etymologies have been published the last 16
years, none of them is an invention by me.

I tried to post a list of the words but something went wrong and I
cannot find a trace of it. All those interested may make a print out
(in landscape format) and look them up for themselves. For those with
scholarly ambitions I refer to the most recent articles by Jorma
Koivulehto, and to his monography from 1991 and 1999 in my
bibliography at the bottom of the ...index.htm page.

Jouppe

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
wrote:

>
> Thanks for your explanation. I'm intrigued by how
> kaski ended up with *k-. My impression was that,
> except for traces in Greek and Armenian, non-Anatolian
> IE lost its laryngeals. Yet, I'm guessing Uralic could
> only have borrowed this word from Germanic,
> Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian or Tokharian. AFAIK, there
> were no other IE languages in the path of Uralic
> --unless we count Temematic.
>
>
> --- jouppe <jouppe@...> wrote:
>
> > In the oldest borrowings in Pre-Finnic it is more a
> > rule than an
> > exception that the second syllable is more or less
> > dropped as the
> > lexeme is adopted directly as a plain stem.
> > Parallels would include
> > onki, pursi, susi, vuori, vuosi and others.
> >
> > I have written about this at
> > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
> >
> > substitution of PIE -zg- by Pre-Finnic -sk- is
> > parallelled by the PU
> > word *mos´ki- <= PIE *mozg-.
> >
> > The substitution by Pre-Finnic /sh/ (I use the
> > digraph here) is very
> > common in later, Proto-Baltic and Proto-German
> > loans.
> >
> > The word kaski also has no real competing etymology.
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
> > <fournet.arnaud@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/lexicon.htm
> > > >
> > > > ashes
> > > > Fi. kaski 'burnt-over clearing'
> > > > < PreF *kaski / *kaśki
> > > >
> > > > (see) Sw.aska 'ashes' < Gmc. *askōn 'ashes'
> > > > < ↑ PIE/PreG *ħæsk'-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This individual is comparing Finnish kaski to
> > Gmc
> > > > *askon
> > >
> > > ========================
> > > Thank you for the link.
> > > Whatever value it may have,
> > > it's always interesting to roam thru data.
> > >
> > > As far as the *kaski from *askon is concerned,
> > > Preservation of -s- in Finnish is strange,
> > > meaning it should be recent (if the idea is true)
> > > Cf. hanhi out of *zhans-is
> > > Now the final -i- means Finnish borrowed *kask-,
> > > with no -on- ending.
> > >
> > > I have much difficulty to believe
> > > this borrowing *askon > *kask-
> > >
> > > I have nothing better to propose
> > > but I don't buy this story.
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > > ==================
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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