Re: Indo-Uralic?

I have to correct myself. It should be *gwneh2- of course.

And in my own transcription it should be *q'næħ- not *c'næħ-. I thank
Brian for pointing this out.

It's right on my lexicon page anyway.
And it has no bearing on the etymology for 'nai-nen' itself since
Finnic simplifies the word-initial cluster.

Jouppe

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "jouppe" <jouppe@...> wrote:
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> Comments below
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
> <fournet.arnaud@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Rick McCallister
> >
> > I ran into this on line. Any validity to what he says?
> >
> > 1) PIE laryngeals correspond to PU fricative *χ
> > in cases like:
-Finnish nai-/naa- 'woman' < PU
> > *näχi-/*naχï- <= PIE *c'næħ-/ > Greek
> > gunē 'woman', Sanskrit gnā´ 'Godess'

> > ============
> > This root *noh "woman" is not clearly attested in PIE
> >
> > Arnaud
>
> The original is g´neh2- as behind greek gune: and sanskrit gná:
> I use a slightliy simplified/innovative transcription of PIE on my
> site in order to avoid difficult digraphs and trigraphs. It is
> explained at http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/transcription.htm
>
> > ==========
> >
> > 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> > *s in cases like:
-Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen)
> > 'human being' < PreFi *insi- (<**jinsi-) 'descendant'
> > <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit jā́- 'born,
> > offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja- 'generation,
> > lineage, kin'

> > =============
> > Absurd
> > Arnaud
>
> Nothing absurd about this. It fulfills main criteria for a good
loan
> etymology: sound correspondancies are completely regular, the
> evolution of meaning is reasonable (cf. parallell gr. gonos
> m. 'descendant', etc = OInd jána-h m. 'human' etc.) In addition no
> good competing etymology exist for the word.
>
> > ============
> >
> > 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> > wordstems like:
-Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU
> > *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en- (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic
> > *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic asans 'summer'
-Finnish
> > kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad- 'to
> > go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> > Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit
> > cárati 'goes, walks, wanders (about)', cognate Lat.
> > colere 'to till, cultivate, inhabit'

> >
> > ==========
> > PU word "summer" probably means "hot"
> > Cf. Turkish kiz-dirmak
> > and a couple of Uralic words like Udmurt gitch "hot".
> > Arnaud
>
> The word 'kesä' is not PU but western Finno-Permic (cf. Saami
gaesse,
> Ersä-Mordvinic 'kize', no udmurt here). Turkish has of course
nothing
> to do with Finno-Permic.
>
> > =============
> >
> > -Finnish teke- 'do, make' ~ Hungarian tëv-, të-, tesz-
> > 'to do, make, put, place' < PFU *teki- <= PIE *t,eh- >
> > Greek títhēmi, Sanskrit dádhāti 'put,
> > place', but 'do, make' in the western IE languages,
> > e.g. the Germanic forms do, German tun, etc., and
> > Latin faciō.
> >
> > ===============
> > Obviously a loanword from *dh_H1
> >
> > Arnaud
> > ================
> >
> > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
> >
>