Re: PIE *a -- a preliminary checklist

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 53449
Date: 2008-02-16

Thanks for your explanation. I'm intrigued by how
kaski ended up with *k-. My impression was that,
except for traces in Greek and Armenian, non-Anatolian
IE lost its laryngeals. Yet, I'm guessing Uralic could
only have borrowed this word from Germanic,
Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian or Tokharian. AFAIK, there
were no other IE languages in the path of Uralic
--unless we count Temematic.


--- jouppe <jouppe@...> wrote:

> In the oldest borrowings in Pre-Finnic it is more a
> rule than an
> exception that the second syllable is more or less
> dropped as the
> lexeme is adopted directly as a plain stem.
> Parallels would include
> onki, pursi, susi, vuori, vuosi and others.
>
> I have written about this at
> http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
>
> substitution of PIE -zg- by Pre-Finnic -sk- is
> parallelled by the PU
> word *mos´ki- <= PIE *mozg-.
>
> The substitution by Pre-Finnic /sh/ (I use the
> digraph here) is very
> common in later, Proto-Baltic and Proto-German
> loans.
>
> The word kaski also has no real competing etymology.
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
> <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
> >
> > > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/lexicon.htm
> > >
> > > ashes
> > > Fi. kaski 'burnt-over clearing'
> > > < PreF *kaski / *kaśki
> > >
> > > (see) Sw.aska 'ashes' < Gmc. *askōn 'ashes'
> > > < ↑ PIE/PreG *ħæsk'-
> > >
> > >
> > > This individual is comparing Finnish kaski to
> Gmc
> > > *askon
> >
> > ========================
> > Thank you for the link.
> > Whatever value it may have,
> > it's always interesting to roam thru data.
> >
> > As far as the *kaski from *askon is concerned,
> > Preservation of -s- in Finnish is strange,
> > meaning it should be recent (if the idea is true)
> > Cf. hanhi out of *zhans-is
> > Now the final -i- means Finnish borrowed *kask-,
> > with no -on- ending.
> >
> > I have much difficulty to believe
> > this borrowing *askon > *kask-
> >
> > I have nothing better to propose
> > but I don't buy this story.
> >
> > Arnaud
> > ==================
> >
>
>
>



____________________________________________________________________________________
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping