Re: RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

If one accepts my conclusion that *nant is a loanword

into CEltic and that Irish was at the North of Celtic world

with the rest of Celtic as a buffer-zone

protecting Irish from Paleo-European,

It is interesting to correlate :

Irish : palatal versus non palatal system

English : affricates

Proto-Irish may be the substrate under part of Westic.

When is this palatal versus non palatal system

supposes to have appeared in IRish ?

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 AM

Subject: Re: RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@ ...> wrote:
[snip]

Given that W Germanic invaded Celtic-speaking
territory and N Germanic didn't, one would guess that
at least some of the differences are due to Celtic
substrate, possibly the palatal derived affricates of
English et al and the sound changes of High German
Given that these changes are different
THIS may be a way of showing differences between
Gaulish and Belgic, i.e. if you see Gaulish (or
whatever you call the Celtic language of the Boii,
Helvetii and other S German, Swiss, Austrian and
Bohemian Celts) as a substrate of High German
and Belgic as a subtrate of English and Dutch
BUT I'll let you guys fight it out

> Which Celtic substrate are you referring to?
>
>
> --BUT correct me
> > What timeframe are we looking at?
> > c. 600 BC for E Germanic?
> > c. 200 BC for N Germanic?
> > c. 400 AD for split-up of W Germanic languages?
>
It seems too short a time for Scandinavian to have
diverged that much --remember what you said about the
big gap between N and W?
Also remember that Germanic was in contact with Celtic
and, before that, Italic for quite a while.
So I'd guess c. 2000 BC somewhere in Upper Saxony,
Silesia, maybe Slovakia and possibly up to the Baltic,
if one postulates that Baltic was following from the
East, and Celtic & Italic to the S and SE
Then 1000-500 BC N Germany

> How about
> c. 50 BCE Future Northwest Germanic speakers move
> west from Southern
> Poland, Future East Germanic speakers move south.
> c. 0 Future North Germanic speakers move from the
> area around Hamburg
> into Denmark, then Scandinavia, future West Germanic
> speakers stay and
> move west.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>

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