RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>
> This is most definitely true now but I suspect that
> Jutish showed some degree of transition. Remember that
> the Jutes, Angles and Frisians were run out of Jutland
> by the Danes sometime around 400 AD

That's Jordanes' remark that the Danes ran out the Heruli you are
referring to?

> When did the pre vs post position dichotomy of
> articles occur?

I believe it's documented from the 16th century. Before that time many
texts are law texts and they have no definite articles, like ON.

> What may have caused it? Could it be due to substrate?

There are no village names in -lev in the areas with preposed
articles. I identify the Scandinavian -lev/-löv and the Thuringian
-leben names with the Germanic invasion. You should check the archives.

> Are there other such elements of
> Scandinavian that are due to substrate?

Officially no. However, the village names in -løse/-lösa have first
elements that cause trouble when interpreted as Germanic. Check the
archives.

> If so, it is from Saami or pre-Uralic?

The names of major islands are un-Germanic. Kuhn finds traces of his
-ur/-ar-language.

> BTW, I've read that the only pre-Uralic substrate word
> that made it from Saami into Scandinavian is the root
> of Spanish morsa "walrus". Are there others?

I wouldn't know.


Torsten