Re: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Fw: [tied] Pferd

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 49495
Date: 2007-08-11

Some people around here are against my proposal for *kwer,
but if we accept the idea that *kwr-s- is a root, akin to *perkw (from kwer-kw-)
and is a word of indo-european origin
(Cognates in Sanscrit partaka karibha etc)
Then
it may have been either kept by Celts and ITaliots (which is natural)
and it may have been borrowed by people inhabiting western Europe
when Indo-Europeans started intruding and conquering the place.
Hence
We have to expect various treatments of *kwr-s and *perkw
1. Standard treatments according to P-celts and kw-Celts, LAtin, etc
2. "Odd" treatments, that in my opinion, arise because of a chain of borrowings
Indo-european > non-indo-european western european > reborrowing into LAte LAtin and Old French.
 
Cassanos can't be "good" Gaulish (Paris is !)
but it can be a good borrowing, later reborrowed.
 
My next point is I am quite amazed to see that some of you deal with "Gauls",
as though Celts had arrived in the territory of modern France like it was a desert
before they arrived.
It is quite obvious that the territory was already inhabited.
And French (standard or dialectal) is full of odd words.
The mingling between Celt intruders and previous inhabitants probably took a lot of time
I mean not until LAtin became the only language spoken around the year +400.
 
I consider the misinterpretation arises from the fact that this word "GAulish" mixes everything
This word describes nothing clear : you never know if this is a "Celt" Gaul or a non-i.e GAul.
The ethnolinguistic picture from -1000 to + 400 must have been very complicated in France
Just like it is in Italy during the same period.
It is like dealing with Etruscan and Picenian and all others like "standard" Italiots.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: stlatos
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Fw: [tied] Pferd

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:
>
> The rook *kwr- for "oak" also exists in LAtin :

> Cassanos may be from assimiled kwrs > kwss- > kass-
> if one accepts : kw- > ka- as in canis

Are you saying this occurs in Gaulish?

> All these words share an (obvious) connection, even though it is not
(yet) received theory.

I'd say Cassano- is more likely connected with Greek kástanos
'chestnut tree', etc.