alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>Not Vinereanu , George, Maghiarule!
Don you call me Magyar, since I ain't one, not even 0,1%.
>these FACTS told me THAT in ARIESH we have the same formation
>Romanian -ESH, -ISH > DACIAN *-ESJA, -ISYA > PIE *-ESYO, *-ISYO
These are no facts, but they are only hypotheses. They are
proposals made by some people.
>Ma,
Yell "mã" to your daddy in your barn. Stop being a slob.
>George-Maghiarule, you are Not Romanian
Stop being a slob, stop insulting me.
>nd you try to learn me that that there is no e>je
>diphtongation in Romanian in the Ariesh Valley, "YE,
>M~A"? CHIAR NU-TI E RUSINE?"
It is you who should be ashamed of your ignorance of basic
Romanian phonetics, you sorry example of ruin of a school
system! Dont dare come here and put lies on display, coz
there might be people interested in studying Romanian.
>>subdialects overthere, there's no fier, fierbere, but fer, and
>>ferbere.
>
>Maybe true for a Hungarian like you....that speak badly Romanian
If you are a consummate ignorant even of the subdialect of
the region you in which you pretend to be a native-speaker,
then whadda heck are you looking for here on cybalist? The
logic answer would be you wish to learn something.
>*Arã$ is Likelier for an Ignorant like you George-Maghiarule:
>e/accented > je NEVER ã
>
>PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk and to write such
>stupidities...
You must have some psyichic problem, man. Who the heck did
write that the stress falls on ã? Only your imagination told
you this.
>Nobody of course... because Only you a s an ignorant 'could linked'
>the non accented e of Muresh with the accented e of Ariesh...
It is the suffix -e$, irrespectiv of its being stress or not
stressed. There is no diphtongation, but a hiatus. Ask all
linguists in Romania and ponder over the results of your
investigation.
And beware: if the i in there in the word is supposed to be
only because of a diphtongation, then a derivation from
the Hungarian word Aranyos is even more tempting, since the
[je] diphtongation renders the [ñoS], and presupposes an
intermediate *Romanian* word 'Arañie$. (Which ñ is as frequent
as they come in the Romanian subdialect of entire Transylvania
and Banate, exccept perhaps of your Romanian which might be
an imported one.)
>But of course is hard for you to understand that an accented
>syllable could evolved different than a non-accented one:
>George, Maghiarule
Okay, baragladina.
>PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk...
Tzaranoiule, ca pute locu pînde umbli da tantalau ce
esti.
>You need to be cautios with you first ...because you don't
>have any knowledge here...
Traga-i dreacu pe tãtzi dacistii cu secera si ciocan in ciocanu
tau $i-i traga, ca n'ai sa-ti dai seama pana-i chiezda la purceaua
ce prapad facura si fac cu mintile voastre, de tolomaci ce ati
facut ochi d'abia in iepoca lu Cea$ca. Ne faceti de rîs pe
lista asta. Tu imi mai faci de rîs si Ardealu (anafura si
prescura manastirii din cerurile din care nu razbate lumina
si cãtã voi! Se rasucesc in morminte Maior, Sincai, Cipariu,
Laurian, Baritiu, Densusianu, Onciul, Dragomir si bietul
Pu$cariu pe care-l terminara la batranete liftele bolsevice).
>Really? Poor Rosetti...
Do you imply that in "your" Ariesh Valley people don't
say in the local subdialect $erpe instead of $arpe, you
don't, do you?
>>Finally, arany is the pan-Hungarian word for "gold". So,
>>Hungarians living in Austria and Croatia also say arany.
>
>Bravo! A 'Deep thought' again....keep momentum
>
>Conclusion:
>
>Maghiarule George please learn at the end that:
Behave and cool down.
>GEORGE I already indicated PUSCARIU, did you hear about him?
Can't you understand that he pointed out an *assumption* based
on an inferred rule. Hence the usage of the asterisc. Rules
don't always apply 100%. Romanian isn't an exception either.
(Besides, if the oldest discovered texts in Romanian had
preserved such an intermediate, Pu$cariu et al. would have
mentioned that fact to you.)
>AU/non-accented > A with the example:
>ROMANIAN R~APOSA < OLD ROMANIAN *R~AP~ASA < LATIN REPAUSARE
>WITH LATER ~A > O after a LABIAL as in BOTEZA > BAPTIZARE etc...
Yeah, that's how it has worked in all Romance languages.
Yet our (in fact your, not mine) problem is that Romanian
has Aries, not *Ories. And that neither Hungarians say
*Oranyos, nor *orany, but Aranyos and arany.
And, BTW, your fury made you blind as to my mentioning
that the Hungarian language in all Hungarian regions
has only arany for "gold" (initially, in Old Hungarian,
they used another word, which in modern Hungarian lost
the meaning "gold", and preserve only the related meaning
"yellow"). I'm reading on, to see ce-ti fata mintea upon
seeing the Iranic link. :-)
>Is not good to be ignorant maghiarule-George
You wanna-be Olah.
>but to continue to ignore the evidence after somebody quoted
>for you PUSCARIU & ROSETTI is worst
Ehei, Mariuse puiuitz crudutz cu cã$utz la pliscutz, until
you'll be able to also comprehend morcels of the prose left
to our benefit by those titans (of which the former was made
a martyr by the commie regime), sooner the poplar would grow
pere and the willowtree mi$unele.
>Go and read that books first before to come here and to write that
>au/non-accented is still au or a-u in Romanian ....and that e is not
>YE in Romanian erspecially in the Ariesh Valley where everybody
>say "YE" each 2 words
Cool down, breathe, and... think. I only referred to Romanian
<aur> and its reflexes, nothing else. [au] you mention above
is a diphtong, whereas [a-u-] in Romanian <aur> and its
reflexes is *not* -- and I underlined this at least twice.
Read what I write, not what your imagination, fears and
expectations tend to dictate to you.
Even if Romanian <aur> is a reconstruction chosen, some time
we don't know when, by our ancestors, the fact is that "gold"
in Romanian does not reflect the diphtongal transformation
you find in, say, Italian and French (oro, or). Nor is this
reflected by the Hungarian language, despite the fact that
the sound which is written <a> in Hungarian is closer to [o].
Yet it is not [o]: for this, the Hung. script uses <o>,
as you can see in Aranyos - where the letter for the last
vowel is <o>, not <a>. NB: a suffixation -as [OS] would also
be possible. (Actually, this kind of suffixation in Hungarian
exists with almost all vowels, even with long and short
Umlauts, so the suffixes of this kind are better described
this way: <vowel>S. Romanian also has similar suffixes,
-a$, -e$, -i$, -î$, -o$, -u$.
>All this to defend a false ideology....Ufff...
Somnul ratiunii tale naste monstri.
>Marius
George