Re: Hungarian "gold"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <st-george@...> wrote:

>
> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> >Not Vinereanu , George, Maghiarule!
>
> Don you call me Magyar, since I ain't one, not even 0,1%.
>
> >these FACTS told me THAT in ARIESH we have the same formation
> >Romanian -ESH, -ISH > DACIAN *-ESJA, -ISYA > PIE *-ESYO, *-ISYO
>
> These are no facts, but they are only hypotheses. They are
> proposals made by some people.
>
> >Ma,
>
> Yell "mã" to your daddy in your barn. Stop being a slob.
>
> >George-Maghiarule, you are Not Romanian
>
> Stop being a slob, stop insulting me.
>
> >nd you try to learn me that that there is no e>je
> >diphtongation in Romanian in the Ariesh Valley, "YE,
> >M~A"? CHIAR NU-TI E RUSINE?"
>
> It is you who should be ashamed of your ignorance of basic
> Romanian phonetics, you sorry example of ruin of a school
> system! Dont dare come here and put lies on display, coz
> there might be people interested in studying Romanian.
>
> >>subdialects overthere, there's no fier, fierbere, but fer, and
> >>ferbere.
> >
> >Maybe true for a Hungarian like you....that speak badly Romanian
>
> If you are a consummate ignorant even of the subdialect of
> the region you in which you pretend to be a native-speaker,
> then whadda heck are you looking for here on cybalist? The
> logic answer would be you wish to learn something.
>
> >*Arã$ is Likelier for an Ignorant like you George-Maghiarule:
> >e/accented > je NEVER ã
> >
> >PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk and to write such
> >stupidities...
>
> You must have some psyichic problem, man. Who the heck did
> write that the stress falls on ã? Only your imagination told
> you this.
>
> >Nobody of course... because Only you a s an ignorant 'could

linked'

> >the non accented e of Muresh with the accented e of Ariesh...
>
> It is the suffix -e$, irrespectiv of its being stress or not
> stressed. There is no diphtongation, but a hiatus. Ask all
> linguists in Romania and ponder over the results of your
> investigation.
>
> And beware: if the i in there in the word is supposed to be
> only because of a diphtongation, then a derivation from
> the Hungarian word Aranyos is even more tempting, since the
> [je] diphtongation renders the [ñoS], and presupposes an
> intermediate *Romanian* word 'Arañie$. (Which ñ is as frequent
> as they come in the Romanian subdialect of entire Transylvania
> and Banate, exccept perhaps of your Romanian which might be
> an imported one.)
>
> >But of course is hard for you to understand that an accented
> >syllable could evolved different than a non-accented one:
> >George, Maghiarule
>
> Okay, baragladina.
>
> >PUT THE HAND AND READ BEFORE to talk...
>
> Tzaranoiule, ca pute locu pînde umbli da tantalau ce
> esti.
>
> >You need to be cautios with you first ...because you don't
> >have any knowledge here...
>
> Traga-i dreacu pe tãtzi dacistii cu secera si ciocan in ciocanu
> tau $i-i traga, ca n'ai sa-ti dai seama pana-i chiezda la purceaua
> ce prapad facura si fac cu mintile voastre, de tolomaci ce ati
> facut ochi d'abia in iepoca lu Cea$ca. Ne faceti de rîs pe
> lista asta. Tu imi mai faci de rîs si Ardealu (anafura si
> prescura manastirii din cerurile din care nu razbate lumina
> si cãtã voi! Se rasucesc in morminte Maior, Sincai, Cipariu,
> Laurian, Baritiu, Densusianu, Onciul, Dragomir si bietul
> Pu$cariu pe care-l terminara la batranete liftele bolsevice).
>
> >Really? Poor Rosetti...
>
> Do you imply that in "your" Ariesh Valley people don't
> say in the local subdialect $erpe instead of $arpe, you
> don't, do you?
>
> >>Finally, arany is the pan-Hungarian word for "gold". So,
> >>Hungarians living in Austria and Croatia also say arany.
> >
> >Bravo! A 'Deep thought' again....keep momentum
> >
> >Conclusion:
> >
> >Maghiarule George please learn at the end that:
>
> Behave and cool down.
>
> >GEORGE I already indicated PUSCARIU, did you hear about him?
>
> Can't you understand that he pointed out an *assumption* based
> on an inferred rule. Hence the usage of the asterisc. Rules
> don't always apply 100%. Romanian isn't an exception either.
> (Besides, if the oldest discovered texts in Romanian had
> preserved such an intermediate, Pu$cariu et al. would have
> mentioned that fact to you.)
>
> >AU/non-accented > A with the example:
> >ROMANIAN R~APOSA < OLD ROMANIAN *R~AP~ASA < LATIN REPAUSARE
> >WITH LATER ~A > O after a LABIAL as in BOTEZA > BAPTIZARE etc...
>
> Yeah, that's how it has worked in all Romance languages.
> Yet our (in fact your, not mine) problem is that Romanian
> has Aries, not *Ories. And that neither Hungarians say
> *Oranyos, nor *orany, but Aranyos and arany.
>
> And, BTW, your fury made you blind as to my mentioning
> that the Hungarian language in all Hungarian regions
> has only arany for "gold" (initially, in Old Hungarian,
> they used another word, which in modern Hungarian lost
> the meaning "gold", and preserve only the related meaning
> "yellow"). I'm reading on, to see ce-ti fata mintea upon
> seeing the Iranic link. :-)
>
> >Is not good to be ignorant maghiarule-George
>
> You wanna-be Olah.
>
> >but to continue to ignore the evidence after somebody quoted
> >for you PUSCARIU & ROSETTI is worst
>
> Ehei, Mariuse puiuitz crudutz cu cã$utz la pliscutz, until
> you'll be able to also comprehend morcels of the prose left
> to our benefit by those titans (of which the former was made
> a martyr by the commie regime), sooner the poplar would grow
> pere and the willowtree mi$unele.
>
> >Go and read that books first before to come here and to write that
> >au/non-accented is still au or a-u in Romanian ....and that e is

not

> >YE in Romanian erspecially in the Ariesh Valley where everybody
> >say "YE" each 2 words
>
> Cool down, breathe, and... think. I only referred to Romanian
> <aur> and its reflexes, nothing else. [au] you mention above
> is a diphtong, whereas [a-u-] in Romanian <aur> and its
> reflexes is *not* -- and I underlined this at least twice.
> Read what I write, not what your imagination, fears and
> expectations tend to dictate to you.
>
> Even if Romanian <aur> is a reconstruction chosen, some time
> we don't know when, by our ancestors, the fact is that "gold"
> in Romanian does not reflect the diphtongal transformation
> you find in, say, Italian and French (oro, or). Nor is this
> reflected by the Hungarian language, despite the fact that
> the sound which is written <a> in Hungarian is closer to [o].
> Yet it is not [o]: for this, the Hung. script uses <o>,
> as you can see in Aranyos - where the letter for the last
> vowel is <o>, not <a>. NB: a suffixation -as [OS] would also
> be possible. (Actually, this kind of suffixation in Hungarian
> exists with almost all vowels, even with long and short
> Umlauts, so the suffixes of this kind are better described
> this way: <vowel>S. Romanian also has similar suffixes,
> -a$, -e$, -i$, -î$, -o$, -u$.
>
> >All this to defend a false ideology....Ufff...
>
> Somnul ratiunii tale naste monstri.
>
> >Marius
>
> George
>

I have stopped this thread.

Is good for me that I have apologized and I could stop it
before...what I saw above

Marius