Re: [tied] Re: Prenasalization, not ejectives cause of Winter's law?

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 46137
Date: 2006-09-19

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Torsten, your idiosyncratic way of transcribing these sounds only means that no one has any idea what you are getting at.
 
H is frequently used for Arabic dotted h.
 
¿ is its voiced counterpart.
 
There are also the voiced (gh) and unvoiced (kh) velar fricatives.
 
Patrick
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----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Prenasalization, not ejectives cause of Winter's law?

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@.. .> wrote:
>
> Semitic is *gH-r-b "west, sunset".
>
> And Asia < asu "sunrise".
>

Møller actually hesitates between reconstructing
voridg. À-r-p = semit A-r-p (-> Assyrian erpu, etc)
and
voridg. Y.-r-P.- = semit. Y.-r-p (-> hebr. 3ara:Pæl)

Voridg-semit. À ->
gemeinsemit. A, arab. `, hebr. `
Voridg-semit. Y. ->
gemeinsemit. Y., arab. Y., hebr. 3(1), aram.,syr. 3
what the 3-like laryngeal symbol stands for,
I have no idea;
the Y. is as close as I can with ASCII to the symbol
he uses in the reconstruction.

Both À and Y. are placed with 6 others in tables of
"emphathische spirantische Lenes" and
"nicht emphatische Fortes", respectively;
since they are at the bottom and the column starts with
p and B., respectively, they must be uvular.

I chose to write both as A and Y. as H,
meaning "some laryngeal"


And on the development of Y. into PIE:
"
Im Anlaut Spiritus lenis; verwandelt ein vorhergehendes oder folgendes
idg. *e(:) (oder bereits voridg. *a(:)) in o(:); verbindet sich
inlautend mit vorhergehendem Selbstlauter zu dessen Länge (wobei für
*éY. idg. ó:, für dehnstufiges *e:Y. idg. õ: erscheint).
"

which means it must be h3.

Torsten