Re: Albanian nose

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > *neu-ks- `to smell'. 1. Alb. <hundë> `nose'
> > > > Konushevci
> > > >
> > >
> > > I prefer an etymology asserting that: <<'an Albanian nose'

is 'a

> > PIE
> > > nose'>>
> >
> > [AK]
> > And exactly this is one.
>
> [Marius] please to detail here the phonetic rules that you have
> applied for you derivation....you will see the issues.
>

[AK]
I didn't read, for I didn't have Huld's "Basic Albanian Etymologies"
(if someone has it, please help us), but, according to Orel's
dictionary, I was not the only one that try ro derive Alb. <hundë>
from PIE *neu-ks. I am not aware did he mentions dublets by
inversion, like this one, but this is common phenomenon in IE
languages: Greek Python and Typhon, mythical monsters, are both
derived from *dheubh-.

> > > PIE *hneh2s- 'nose' > PIE *hn.h2s-ú-nt-o/eh2 > PAlb/Dacian?
> > *asúnta:
> > > > (see gjuhë, vjehërr, kohë (despite the doubts)) >

PAlb/Dacian?

> > > *ahúnta: > Alb. húndë
> >
> > [AK]
> > All these etymologies, for me, are not plausible.
>
> [Marius] Not plausible? based on what?
> 1. Sematism? Identical.
> 2. Phonetic Rules? Ok.
>
> Either you have arguments or ...

[AK]
You start again to ride the dead horse, for, as far as I remember,
as Piotr as I have given to you much convinced arguments about Alb.
<gjuhë>, <vjehër> etc.

>
>
> > > Note: 1. For another -nt- <<nose>>-formation: see Skt.

nasvaìnt-

> > > [adj] `nosed' (AV)
> > >
> > > 2. we cannot exclude also an -n- formation:
> > > PIE *hn.h2s-ú-n-eh2 > PAlb/Dacian? asúna: with probable some
> > > alternative unattested forms PAlb/Dacian? *násuna < PIE

*hnh2és-

> u-
> > no
> >
> > [AK]
> > And, where to leave the lack of non-rhotacized Tosk form or
> > rhotacism didn't act at all to this word.
>
> [Marius]
> Because it was either -nd- or -nt- in that times. => See
> Albanian 'man' with n as another example < Dacian manteia. But I
> agree that a n>nd before the rothacism is less probable and that
> an -nt- formation is more probable.
>
> Marius
>

Konushevci