Alex wrote:
> We do know Rom/Alb
> correspondencies as "c^/s" , "a/o", "e/a" are before Christian Era
but
> more as this , we cannot say. I guess more as this cannot be said.
>I guess more as this cannot be said
I think that we can say more: saying 'for sure not after..." is
already an important step if we demonstrate it.
Please note that in all my postings I wrote 'at least
before' , 'later around' etc...
Why is important to demontrate 'at least' this: because there are
peoples in this forum and not only here (to be honest: this is today
opinion of the great majority) that consider the Romanian Substratum
words: Only as loans in Romanian from Albanian.
If we can demonstrate with Solid Linguistic Arguments (and I think
that we already did this) that these "loans" were "borrowed" in
Romanian 'at least before 500AC' or 'at least before 200AC' or
even 'at least before 0C' (see a: > a - o) nobody serious can talk
about 'loans in Romanian from Albanian'.
They will need to talk about 'at least' "loans in Proto-Romanian from
Proto-Albanian' because 'at least before 500AC' there weren't any
Romanian or Albanian Languages in Balkans. There were only : Dacian,
Thracian, Latin, Greek and Illyrian.
The next step will be to match this generic term of 'Proto-Albanian'
to a Real Ancient Balkan Language. Sooner or later this will happen.
Already today only 2 serious candidates remain in this equation: Daco
Moesian and Illyrian.
Daco-Moesian seems more probable to be the right candidate.
We will see...
At that moment everybody will need to talk about 'Daco-Moesian loans
in Proto-Romanian (or in Balkan Latin)'
This moment will arrive soon -> and I don't talk here about this
forum.
Last the timeframes of the Oldest Tranformation present only in the
Romanian Substratum and not present in the Romanian Latin Layer will
be addressed: (like PAlb a: > Rom a - Alb o etc...).
Only at that moment we will start the final discussion about the
Origin of Romanian and Albanians:
it will not be about 'when the Common-Romanian started to be
splited?': 'Avars/Slavs invasion 602AC'
but it will be about :
'when the Proto-Albanians started to be splited from 'Proto-
Romanians'.
Today answer can only be : "for sure this happened before 0AC"
But at that moment the Origin of Romanians and Albanians will be
finally clarified.
Best Regards,
Marius
P.S. You are right 'Jupiter Menzana' is attested in Messapic, but I
don't know the Messapic Phonetic rules or something else...
On the other hand the Sources of today Albanian z are mainly the
following:
1. PAlb g^ < PIE *g'(h)w
2. PAlb dj < PIE *dy
but is true also that a PAlb *dzj (<PIE *g'y) gave also PAlb g^ >
Alb z
The Sources of today Romanian z(<dz) are mainly the following:
1. PAlb dz < PIE g' -> not possible we will have Alb. budhë not buzë
2. PAlb dj
3. Lat di -> not possible: 'buzã' is not a Latin word.
As you can see there are not a lot of choices.
I can add to this that Pokorny: Root / lemma: bhudh- 'bottom' could
fit well Rom/Alb buza < PAlb *budja -> if we take into account the
meaning 'edge, margin' too:
see Rom. 'stãm pe buza gropii'
Eng. 'we stand on the margin of the hole"