Re: [tied] Re: The Vlach Connection

From: george knysh
Message: 37586
Date: 2005-05-05

--- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> George, I followed allways your critical
> interventions on this subject.
> I must recognise I don't get exactly which is your
> opinion. Would you
> like to have a clear statement here? Would you say
> the vlachs are
> migrating north of Danube around XII century, around
> VI century, or
> which is in fact your opinion about?
> Alex

*****GK: Subject to correction by solid new evidence,
my current view is that Romanians (Vlachs) began to
move north of the Danube en masse sometime between
1116 and 1165. The Byzantines know them in southern
Moldova by the latter date. As of 1116 the Kyivan (Old
Ukrainian) Chronicle implicitly acknowledges their
presence in "Bulgaria", an ephemeral political entity
on the ancient Triballian plain between the Danube r.
and the Haemus mns., ruled by christianized
(Bulgarized) Pecheneg warlords (1049-1125). Their
presence in Transylvania in the late 9th c. is noted
by a Hungarian Chronicle of ca. 1190/1200, and by the
Suzdalian (Old Russian) Chronicle of c. 1180. But this
is not totally trustworthy. The Suzd. Chron.
misinterprets its Kyivan source's statement about the
"White Ugrians" which it identifies with the Arpadian
Magyars. And it is just possible that the Hung.
Anonymous borrowed its account (which it embellished)
from the Suzd. text.*****





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