george knysh wrote:
> --- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>> George, I followed allways your critical
>> interventions on this subject.
>> I must recognise I don't get exactly which is your
>> opinion. Would you
>> like to have a clear statement here? Would you say
>> the vlachs are
>> migrating north of Danube around XII century, around
>> VI century, or
>> which is in fact your opinion about?
>> Alex
>
> *****GK: Subject to correction by solid new evidence,
> my current view is that Romanians (Vlachs) began to
> move north of the Danube en masse sometime between
> 1116 and 1165. The Byzantines know them in southern
> Moldova by the latter date. As of 1116 the Kyivan (Old
> Ukrainian) Chronicle implicitly acknowledges their
> presence in "Bulgaria", an ephemeral political entity
> on the ancient Triballian plain between the Danube r.
> and the Haemus mns., ruled by christianized
> (Bulgarized) Pecheneg warlords (1049-1125). Their
> presence in Transylvania in the late 9th c. is noted
> by a Hungarian Chronicle of ca. 1190/1200, and by the
> Suzdalian (Old Russian) Chronicle of c. 1180. But this
> is not totally trustworthy. The Suzd. Chron.
> misinterprets its Kyivan source's statement about the
> "White Ugrians" which it identifies with the Arpadian
> Magyars. And it is just possible that the Hung.
> Anonymous borrowed its account (which it embellished)
> from the Suzd. text.*****
I agree with you that from the testimonies we have we can considerate as
sure the time of IX-XII century as being the time they begin to spread.
This "spreading" is not only in the north (due their location today) but
in south too. Is the same time (XI century) the bizantins reamarque them
as infiltrating South of Danube (see Kekaumenos). Apparently until that
point ( IX-X century) they have been somewhere around "Dun�re" (the
native word for Danubius, word which is not borrowed neither from Latins
, nor from Slavs nor from "Proto-Albanian"). North or South of Danube,
it cannot be said precisely, but let us say "around" Danubius. My
opiniopn that they infiltrating in the Bizantine Empire in the XI
century fits with the last major event in ethnical complexus of
Panono-Carpato-Balkanik area. And this was the arrival of the
Hungarians, besser said, the change of the "action direction" of the
Hungarians after they have been defeated by Otto in the X century.
Apparently the historical events fit with my idea since the Hungarians
changed their conquest direction from West to East and they begun to
attaque the population who have been in their eastern parts after 955.
Presuming they needed 20.30 years ro regenerate their armies, we can say
that immediately they have been able to fight again, they attaqued the
regions east of them and the vlachs have been recoreded as entering the
Bizantine Empire; thus very probable the "Aromanians" are in fact just
PanonoRomanians who have been drove out by Hungarians.
Alex
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