Re: [tied] Re: Why borrow 'seven'? (was: IE right & 10)

>From: "petusek" <petusek@...>

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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Harald Hammarstr�m
>To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Why borrow 'seven'? (was: IE right & 10)
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> >> If you compare fit� & futa, the common pattern is not only /f-/, but
>also
> >> /fVt-/, this looks like "internal apophony", doesn't it?
> >> Duality is a very common effect in creating numerals,
> >
> >Is it?? I don't think so. Do you know more examples?

Yir Yoront (Western Australia) 1-8

yirr
koyrr
wapayrr
morrmaq
yorthelemrr
pulkoyrr
yorthelemrr
yormart

Proto Viet-Mung (1-10)

*moc
*hal
*pa
*pon
*?d�m
*kh�w
*p�y
*t'am
*cin
*m�el

Old Turkic (1-10)

bir
iki
�ch
t�rt
besh
alt�
yeti
s�kiz
toquz
on

proto=Tungus
�m�n
zh�r
ilan
d�g�n
tu�ga
��ng�n
nadan
zhapkun
x�j�g�n
zhuwan

Oh, and let's not forget Old Japanese (1-10)

pit�
puta
mi
y�
itu
mu
nana
ya
k�n�n�
t�wo

Maybe you get 1-2 out of OJ, but that is about it ...

>Perhaps, I shouldn't use "very", but it is common, indeed, although I admit
>that "very common" is a matter of a subjective opinion.
> >> as for etymologies of
> >> various Altaic numerals, I could send you a list of references,
> >
> >Please do.
> >
> >/H

Don't think I see it ...

>Oh dear! That will take some time! :-) Harald, I'll send it to you via
>"regular" e-mail, since this hasn't much to do with IE itself. Ok?
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