Re: Celts & Cimmerians

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>
> Robert W. Ehrich
> Some Indo-European Speaking Groups of the Middle Danube and the
> Balkans: Their Boundaries as Related to Cultural Geography Through
> Time
> in
> Cardona, Hoenigswald, Senn (eds.)
> Indo-European and Indo-Europeans
> p. 227
>
> "
> Köszegi (1960:181) ['s] ... rough datings [of the West-Hungarian
> sequence] as modified by S. Foltinyi (personal information) are:
>
> Surviving Tumulus Culture I (Bronze Age D) begins at about 1250 B.C.
> Surviving Tumulus Culture II (Hallstatt A1) begins 1200/1150
> Vál I (Hallstatt A2) begins 1100/1050
> Vál II (Hallstatt B) = 950/900 - 750/700
> True Iron Age (Hallstatt C) = 750/700-600
> Hallstatt D = 600 - 450/400
>
> Thraco-Cimmerian elements appear in Halstatt C, Scythian in

Hallstatt

> D.
> "
>
> Apparently then some Cimmerians might have passed by the Celts. And
> they might have picked their language before moving on to Northern
> Europe.
>

On the question of whether the Cimbri & Teutones were Celts or
Germani, from Plutarch's biography of Sertorius:

"
The second time that the Cimbri and Teutones came down with some
hundreds of thousands, threatening death and destruction to all, when
it was no small piece of service for a Roman soldier to keep his
ranks and obey his commander, Sertorius undertook, while Marius led
the army, to spy out the enemy's camp. Procuring a Celtic dress, and
acquainting himself with the ordinary expressions of their language
requisite for common intercourse, he threw himself in amongst the
barbarians; where having carefully seen with his own eyes, or having
been fully informed by persons upon the place of all their most
important concerns, he returned to Marius, from whose hands he
received the rewards of valour...
"
(http://www.4literature.net/Plutarch/Sertorius/)

Apparently, if the Romans writers weren't able to distinguish between
Celts and Germani, neither were the Cimbri and Teutones. It would
seem they were Celtic.

Torsten