Re: Celts & Cimmerians

Hi Torsten,

They may have been Celtic-speaking, but not necessarily. Just
because their speech and dress was Celtic, doesn't mean they were of
Celtic origin. As the Teutons and Cimbri had been settled among
Celtic-speakers for some time, they would naturally have picked up on
their language and dress.

-Michael

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Robert W. Ehrich
> > Some Indo-European Speaking Groups of the Middle Danube and the
> > Balkans: Their Boundaries as Related to Cultural Geography
Through
> > Time
> > in
> > Cardona, Hoenigswald, Senn (eds.)
> > Indo-European and Indo-Europeans
> > p. 227
> >
> > "
> > Köszegi (1960:181) ['s] ... rough datings [of the West-Hungarian
> > sequence] as modified by S. Foltinyi (personal information) are:
> >
> > Surviving Tumulus Culture I (Bronze Age D) begins at about 1250
B.C.
> > Surviving Tumulus Culture II (Hallstatt A1) begins 1200/1150
> > Vál I (Hallstatt A2) begins 1100/1050
> > Vál II (Hallstatt B) = 950/900 - 750/700
> > True Iron Age (Hallstatt C) = 750/700-600
> > Hallstatt D = 600 - 450/400
> >
> > Thraco-Cimmerian elements appear in Halstatt C, Scythian in
> Hallstatt
> > D.
> > "
> >
> > Apparently then some Cimmerians might have passed by the Celts.
And
> > they might have picked their language before moving on to
Northern
> > Europe.
> >
>
> On the question of whether the Cimbri & Teutones were Celts or
> Germani, from Plutarch's biography of Sertorius:
>
> "
> The second time that the Cimbri and Teutones came down with some
> hundreds of thousands, threatening death and destruction to all,
when
> it was no small piece of service for a Roman soldier to keep his
> ranks and obey his commander, Sertorius undertook, while Marius led
> the army, to spy out the enemy's camp. Procuring a Celtic dress,
and
> acquainting himself with the ordinary expressions of their language
> requisite for common intercourse, he threw himself in amongst the
> barbarians; where having carefully seen with his own eyes, or
having
> been fully informed by persons upon the place of all their most
> important concerns, he returned to Marius, from whose hands he
> received the rewards of valour...
> "
> (http://www.4literature.net/Plutarch/Sertorius/)
>
> Apparently, if the Romans writers weren't able to distinguish
between
> Celts and Germani, neither were the Cimbri and Teutones. It would
> seem they were Celtic.
>
> Torsten