Re: Alb. initial "h" (it was Re: Prope)

From: tolgs001
Message: 25776
Date: 2003-09-12

>Now, I wonder what about this "h" in Albanian at the begin
>of the word. I don't remember right ad hoc but it seems there
>was a rule in Albanian.

Perhaps some Balcanic (+Satem?) peculiarity. This reminds
me something told/evoked in Romanian fiction literature
(perhaps in chronicles too, I don't know), namely that up to
the beginning of the 19th c. in Southern Romania (maybe
in Moldavia too) the fresh-water sellers in the streets shouted
the specific "slogan" of their trade: "hãããp-hãããp haaa-paaa!"
Any Romanian native-speaker understood, and still under-
stands upon reading about this extinct phenomenon, that
these... gasping-gulping-asthmatic manifestations didn't mean
any kind of... "hip, hip, hurray!" but they meant... <apa>
"(the) water." Now then, why the emphasized "aspiration," I
don't know. Anyway, AFAIK [h] + [apa] has never been the
normal-usual usage - at least in Romanian.

>hermon= (sc)ormoni (the same meaning, to grab)

<a scormoni> doesn't mean "to grab" (but, in German, "graben,
buddeln"), but "to dig up/out, delve, excavate, grub". BUT: only
as secondary, marginal meaning. The chief meanings: "to
search thoroughly, to look for, _to ransack_"

Plus the variants <scurmá> & <zgârmá>. These are semi-
synonyms of <scormonire> applied for search with (1) the
snout [of pigs; = a rîma < Lat. rimare; hence an *excorrimare
has been proposed for <scurmare>, perhaps for <scormonire>
as well], (2) claws, talons (animals, birds), (3) a tool.

What if Lat. excurare also played a role? (As in Engl. scour,
Ger. scheuern, OFr. escurer, NFr. écurer. All three Romanian
verbs above have surprisingly much in common with these,
esp. the latter two AFA the "rubbing/excavating" element is
concerned.)

>heshtar= ostaS (in Albanian Länzenträger)

Always remember that Albanian words can also be...
verkappte lateinische Vokabeln, those Latin elements
in disguise. ;^)

But back to the "conclusio:" why dealing with this "eytch"?
In order to show that <armãsar> doesn't have in its
pedigree any <admissarius>? But without admissarius
there'd be no equine and asinine populations. :^)

>Alex

George