Re: Yers

In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fortuna11111" wrote:

>>> [...] The irregular rhythmic patterns of our folk music (which
>>> is also very chromatic) make every outsider stumble.
>>
>> Exactly. It is so to speak thoroughly "Balkanic"
>
> Which means?

Common to Balkan folklore.

> The question is, how it turned out to be "Balkanic"

This is just a label. Shared history and cultural patterns are
the most obvious explanations. It's of little use to claim having
firmly individuated the "real" originator of some shared musical
Balkanic pattern in some archaic population (but an educated guess
would point probably to Thracians -- both Southern & Northern --
for this matter).
Nevertheless, on this list we should stick on linguistic facts.

>>>That's clear. Now the argument is that the Protobulgarians
>>> were actually numerous.
>>
>> Perhaps they were as numerous as the Hungarians (Magyars as
>> well as tribes of Turkic and Iranic languages, accompanied by
>> Slavic emigrants), as these arrived Pannonia around 896 (after
>> having left Ukraine).
>
> In 896 Bulgaria was an enormous state, touching on three seas,
> as far as I remember. [...] Some time earlier Tervel and Omurtag
> called themselves rulers of many Bulgarians, while they always
> named the Slavs separately, so that confusion was not possible
> at the time.

The territorial argument has little relevance in estimating numbers.
Keep in mind that the all-time biggest statal entity on Earth was
roughly twice as nowdays Russia and it was ruled by not so numerous
Mongolians, hardly more than some percents of the whole population.
If warriors organizing is good, they can rule even constituting a
small proportion of total population.
And well... "enormous" is not the best term; let's say it was
considerably more extended than modern Bulgarian state.

>> Sources considered these also to have been Turks (at least the
>> upper class).
>
> Magyars were, according to what I know, no Turks, but Turkic, yes.

Their name and language belong to Finno-Ugric family, while Turkic
people are Uralo-Altaic.

>>> I never studied anything of the kind, sincerely. Source?
>>
>> Methinks he means Asen bros. (Ivan, Peter and Yannis "the
>> Handsome").
>
> So they are supposed to be vlasi? I have never heard such a
> theory.

Well, you have plenty of time in front of you to check the sources:
this should be the right moment (as GK would say with :=)). Try for
example Nicetas Choniates.

Cheers,
Marius Iacomi