Re: Yers

> This is just a label. Shared history and cultural patterns are
> the most obvious explanations. It's of little use to claim having
> firmly individuated the "real" originator of some shared musical
> Balkanic pattern in some archaic population (but an educated

guess

> would point probably to Thracians -- both Southern & Northern

--

> for this matter).

It could be this as well, of course.

> Nevertheless, on this list we should stick on linguistic facts.

Oh, yes, I have been appealing for a while. Only if people did not
assume I don't know who Cyrill and Methodius are. That pissed
me kind of off.

> The territorial argument has little relevance in estimating

numbers.

In the case of the quote from Joseph, yes. In the case of Tervel
and Omurtag, no. But okay, you could say they claimed they
were many cause they wished so. Who can prove anything?

> Keep in mind that the all-time biggest statal entity on Earth was
> roughly twice as nowdays Russia and it was ruled by not so

numerous

> Mongolians, hardly more than some percents of the whole

population.

Yes, I am aware of this.

> If warriors organizing is good, they can rule even constituting a
> small proportion of total population.

Yes, this is the predominant theory I have read in the past. It
also sounds logical. Yet, as I have said, I want to find my own
way through all the "old and new", be it out of a misguided
patriotism.

> And well... "enormous" is not the best term; let's say it was
> considerably more extended than modern Bulgarian state.

Okay, it is enormous to me. An optical illusion.

>
> >> Sources considered these also to have been Turks (at least

the

> >> upper class).
> >
> > Magyars were, according to what I know, no Turks, but Turkic,

yes.

>
> Their name and language belong to Finno-Ugric family, while

Turkic

> people are Uralo-Altaic.

So what is Turk then supposed to mean? I have read this only
with reference to the modern Turks. I have also read it is
important to differentiate between the two - Turk and Turkic.

>
> Well, you have plenty of time in front of you to check the

sources:

> this should be the right moment (as GK would say with :=)). Try

for

> example Nicetas Choniates.

I will. My impression has been nothing is proven on the origins
of the brothers. And i never read of them being vlasi. Could be a
lapse of memory.

Eva