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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:40:39 +0200, alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
> >I am not aware of Germanic borrowings where a Latin /o:/ shows a
> >Germanic /u:/, but this is a possiblity even if a uncontrolable
or less
> >controlable one. The second posiblity is on your hand. There is
the
> >Romanian "rum-" (rumân) there for becoming Slavic "y". And this
is a
> >posibility too, isn't it?
>
> No.
>
> Another possibility may be Albanian or a similar language. I
don't know
> when o: > e: > e is dated in Albanian, but supposing it was already
> happening, while the developments e:/a: > o: and u: > y: had not,
then
> Ro:ma must have been borrowed as Ru:ma, which gives Ry:m, which
may be a
> source for Slavic Rim. Except that Albanian itself would not have
lost
> final -a (> -ë).
>
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> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...
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I think that *a: > o could be dated with first contacts or maybe
little later of proto-Albanians with Doric tribe, about which
testifies Greek loan mokër < ma:khana. Otherwise, *o: > e is
characteristic only for inherited words of PIE (cf. hell <
*skolos `spit', pela < *po:la `mare', nuse < *snuso:s `bride', pemë
< *poma `fruit and fruit tree' and it's not a Latin loan). Also,
stressed *u: > i/y (cf. *su:> thi 'pig', mu:s > mi, dyllë < *g^hu:(s)
lo `wax').
About Alb. vatër/votër `home, fire-room' I have give my opinion much
before and I think that it is derived from PIE *a:ter `fire' and I
pointed out that it is a characteristic of Albanian language turning
stressed *a: or o: in va-/vo-, respectivly ve-.
Albanian <vjet> `year' is derived from PIE *wet- `year' and has
cognates not only in Greek etos, but also in English weather (cf.
Alb. <mot> `weather, year') and in Latin <vetus, -eris>. Indeed,
Alb. vjet means also `last year' and is a stem of numeral
derivatives: vjetë `yearling', viç<vitsh `calf', sivjet `this year',
parvjet `two years ago', parqitivjet `three years ago'. Adjective <i
vjetër> `old' could be an extension in er, but also a Latin loan
from <vetus, -eris>. I am sure that <ftujë> `yearling' is derived
from Latin <vitula> through syncoped from <vtula> and regular change
of intervocalic /l/ > /j/.
According to ending et, I think, supported Skok's judgment too,
that it is common for Illyrian and we can find this ending in many
Albanian place-names: Buzet `place of oak tree', Frashnjet `place of
ash tree', Qerret `place of cerris tree', Kallmet `place of rush
plant', etc.
At last, I think that will be much better theme Albanian-Romanian
concordances <mëz/maz> `colt, filly' vs. Rom. <minz>, and
<mëzat> `bull-calf' Rom. <mazat>.
Konushevci