Re: [tied] Re: Trajan's column

From: george knysh
Message: 21896
Date: 2003-05-15

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > GK: The "Carpathian barrows" culture
> interests both Ukrainian
> and Romanian archaeologists. Both groups agree that
> it is "Dacian".
> And Mihailescu-Birliba argues (cf. Acta Musei
> Porolissensis 21(1997),
> pp. 833-878) that it emerged as a result of tribal
> movements
> subsequent to the Roman conquest of Dacia. As to the
> Carpi, their
> culture is dated as of the 2nd-3rd cs. by Bichir and
> Ionita (sp..)
> Interestingly, there is no evidence of any movement
> from Dacia into
> the area dominated by the Costoboci.
>
> Those "late Dacian" groups visibly interacted
> (traded, at the very
> least) with the East Germanic ("Gothic") settlement
> area in SE Poland
> (Hrubiesz�w Valley), established before AD 200. It's
> interesting that
> the earliest known version of the name of the Tatra
> Mts. (a range on
> the Polish-Slovak border, south of Krak�w) is
> <Tritri> (1086), which
> looks like an Albanoid vocalisation of *tr.tro-
> (other early versions,
> in Hungarian sources, are <Turtur>, <Alpes
> Tartarum>, etc., which may
> have been filtered through a Slavic medium).
>
> Piotr

*****GK: Here's an interesting paragraph from B.
Mahomedov's recent book on the Chernyakhiv culture.
It's from the chapter discussing its ethnic components
(under "Thracians and other ethna"), at p.129:
"Traces of a Thracian substrate have been preserved..
in the languages of Carpathian Ukrainians [ref. to a
1976 article by Desnitskaya]. These are the words:
vatra, koliba, tsaryna, gazda, barda, kiptar, virkolak
(vurdalak), koshara, tsap, brindza, mamalyga, palanka,
play, beskyd. The roots of similar words may be found
in Albanian, a Paleo-Balkanic language closest to the
ancient Thraco-Dacian tongues." Anything to that?*****
>
>


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