Re: [tied] IE genitive

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Sergejus Tarasovas"
<S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:

> > At least most of the examples I have seen fall under such a
> > headline. When -íV- loses its syllabicity and therefore (or
> > presumably even before then) retracts the accent, the syllable

now

> > accented receives a falling tone; if it had been falling

already,

> > nobody speaks about it, but if it had been rising it is called
> > métatonie douce. If substantivizations create barytone variants

late

> > enough, the result has a falling tone.
>
> While we are on that: what if the newly accented syllable can't

accept a

> circumflex simply because its nucleus is short? In that case

darýbine:

> metatònija automatically yields a _long_ circumflexed syllabic

nucleus

> -- a short one is prolongated of necessity. How do you explain

that?

> Analogy?

You must mean cases of circumflex -y- and -u:- based on -i-/-u-
since other vocalisms would be fully capable of harbouring a
circumflex. Consulting Otre,bski's Gramatyka II (the word-formation
part from 1965) I find a case in point in su:~kis 'act of turning;
turning point where a meadow ends' (if I understand the dictionary)
from sùkti 'turn' in a long list of examples which almost all have a
long vowel in the infinitive of an accompanying verb already, such
as é:sti => e:~dis 'fodder', gérti (from *ge:r-t-, older *gWer&-t-)
=> ge:~ris 'a drink' (Otr. 67). I suppose you said the magic word:
They all have a long vowel with a circumflex; in most of them it
will be phonetically regular, while the rest are analogical. I am
not sure about the origin of the type. It looks a bit like Lat.
o:dium, collegium, refugium which is almost restricted to compounds
(as in Skt. and Gk.).

Jens