Re: [tied] GLEN AND ANATOLIA IN 7500BC

From: John
Message: 20327
Date: 2003-03-25

Glen wrote

> You are not discussing a population movement so your point is
> misleading yet again.

Glen I was refering to an actual movement of population, not just a
movement of trade goods and cultural influence such as you suggest.

Glen wrote
> There is a general _cultural_ movement from the south
> Caspian to the north Pontic and one from Anatolia into Europe during
> the neolithic, if I understand correctly. This does not equate with
> population movement because cultural spread can be motivated by
> trade (and we know there was much trade in the neolithic so this is
> highly probable, in fact).

Glen, it is not just archaeology that suggests an actual movement of
people from Western Anatolia into the Southern Balkans and further
afield. "The Seven Daughters of Eve" shows that there was also a
movement of Western Asiatic genes into Europe associated with the
neolithic (and possibly the mesolithic as well).

> You exxagerate the probability. There are still linguistic reasons
> to avoid an Anatolian origin of IE.

Glen I dont place Anatolia as the origin of IE. I would suggest
Western Anatolia is a possible place of origin for the putative
Mesolithic Indo-Tyrrhenian though, or more probably for a Proto-I-T.

> Unfortunately, I've managed to lose that book and I need to replace
> it. However, those maps don't show things very well. I don't
> remember anything in those maps indicating "Place pre-IE here".
> It's showing the spread of **Nostratic**, not just IE, is it not? I
> also remember that IE itself was not placed in Anatolia in those
> maps.

Glen This is what I am talking of - the route that connects the
Nostratic Urheimat suggested by Bomhard and the Ukrainian Urheimat
suggested for PIE. There are three possible routes - the Koba
culture went over the Kaucasas, the Jaitun culture went via the
Caspian Gates into the Altai Mountains, and the Beldibi-Belbasi
Culture went via Anatolia into the Balkans and hence to Murzak Koba
people in the Ukraine. Take your pick.

Regards

John