Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?

Dear Peter:

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Subject: Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?


> >> I happily believe you voice English /d/ as English /d/ is "voiced" by a
> >> native speaker - but that may not mean actual voicing in phonetic terms!
> >You are proposing definitional anarchy. "Voice" can and must represent the
> same >phenomenon in any language to which the term is applied; otherwise it
> is useless as a term.
>
> Good! What matters is straight phonetics. So when you claim access to
> privileged information on the basis of having spoken English from childhood,
> it is actually no advantage. Your "native-speaker" status is therefore
> irrelevant.

[PCR]
What I am asserting is that I have extensive experience in hearing English in many dialects, and that, as a person trained in languages, I can make valid observations about what I hear. Would you dismiss the findings of any linguist who described sound production before spectrograms?

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Pat

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