Re: [tied] Centaur

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 14962
Date: 2002-09-02

1) I think it's not a coincidence, but explain it is still very hard.
2) Gandharva < *gWHondH-.
I thought in sth like *gWHendH- > kent-  (Anatolic IE?) and gWHendH - > zand- > sa(n)t- (Albanese? Illyric?)
a) gWHendH- > kent
Must be an IE language where labiovelars>velars, like Lithuanian (gW>g). But also with fortition g>k (like Germanic, Armenian, Anatolic, Tocharian). Could be a Satem, if we assume labiovelar+o > velar, perhaps *gWndH- > k@... > kent, but could be a kentum, if we assume gWe->ge-
b) gWendH- > sat-
Must have fortition dH>t, but must be satem gW>s. It's like Albanian: gW+e,i > z
So, *gWendHu-ro- > *zenduro- > *zandur- > *sa(n)tur-
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From: Alexander Stolbov
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Centaur

Kentauros is a Greek, i.e. a "kentum" word, isn't it? How shoud it look in a "satem" language?
Relying on the correspondence "kentum / satem" proper I'd expect something like Satyros as the "satem" variant of the same word (i.e. kentum/satem = kentauros/satyros).
BTW, both kentauroi and satyroi are almost the only (+ Silenoi) creatures in the Greek mythology combining both human and horse properties in their bodies.
Is it just a coincidence?
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Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Centaur

Mark Odegard once suggested on Cybalist a parallel between <kentauros> and <cowpoke>, and indeed it's thinkable that kentauros < *kento-tauros (with haplology, as e.g. in kentron < *kente:tron from the verb kenteo: 'prick, stab, goad'). Verb(al)+Object compounds are by no means un-Greek, cf. pHilo-pato:r or mis-antHro:pos.
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From: tgpedersen
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: [tied] Centaur

The Oxford dictionary of Etymology says that 'centaur' is of unknown
origin. Emmeline Plunkett "Calendars and Constellations of the
Ancient World" says it means "Bull-killer", without explanation. The
point of the arrow of the zodiacal constelletion of Sagittarius, who
is a centaur holding bow and arrow is in direct opposition on the
zodiac to a point between the horns of the constellation Taurus.

The bull was supposed to be pierced (Mitra's dagger, the toreador's
blade), not chopped, preferably between the horns. This is where the
Minoan acrobats went, and the toreador's sword goes.

Any etymology for 'centaur'? If the meaning is "bull-killer", the
compound would be composed in "French" style, V-Obj, as in porte-
parole, garde-robe. That's not Greek? I recall there was a discussion
of Gr. Minotaurus vs Etruscan tavre-mine, but perhaps this is a
dvandva (non-Greek!), man_and_bull, where sequence wouldn't matter?