Re: IRMIN

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:52 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: IRMIN
>
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> > Don't blame me for the Langobards' illiteracy in their own
> language. We only have the Latin form, hence the asterisk. *xarja-
> mann- is independently attested in Germanic
>
> Imagine that I should experience seeing an attested asterisked

form.

> The only attested example I can think of is Averell Harriman, and
> that's rather late.

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> I thought you had a BA in linguistics. The _later_ Germanic
languages had palatal umlaut in *xarja-. Check things like OE
heremann-, OHG herimann-, or ON hermaðr (-mann-) 'warrior',
hermannligr 'gallant, warrior-like'.
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> http://www.midhnottsol.org/zoega/196.html
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> Piotr
>
I do, actually. One of the things I remember that they taught me is
that non-attested forms are marked with an asterisk, wherefore your
elliptic expression (I assume you mean that presumed _descendants_ of
non-attested *xarja-man- are attested, which is not quite what you
wrote) confused me. But *xarja-man- as ancestor of <heremann-> etc
stands without competition, exactly because no linguist would
consider Iranic as a source of loanwords since most don't seem to be
aware (I certainly wasn't and apparently neither were you?) of the
presence of the Alani among the Germani in the migration period.

Torsten