--- altamix <
altamix@...> wrote:
>
> > --- altamix <altamix@...> wrote:
> > they (the Dacians GK) almost 80
> > > years before did not wanted to leave Dacia at
> the
> > > Aurelian time and prefered
> > > to
> > > live with these from north of Dacia comming
> Goths.
> >
> > *****GK: Would you provide for a more specific
> quote
> > on this? I take it that this is from Salvianus'
> "De
> > gubernatione Dei"? I have some old notes, but
> > unfortunately all they say is that in Salvianus'
> time
> > "Romans" willingly migrated into "barbarian"
> territory
> > from that of the Empire, seeking a better life for
> > themselves there. I don't have the item about
> > population "staying behind" in Dacia after the 271
> > evacuation.******
>
> [Moeller:] indeed, so far i remember at least one
> who did this affirmation
> is Salvianus. But so far I remember he did not say
> anything
> about "romans willingly to migrate into barbarian
> territory ". He said
> instead about "dacians" who prefered to remain with
> the goths
> because they were more scatered of emigration as of
> goths.
******GK: That's the passage I'd like to have. I'll
try to find it on my own I guess. Here is the one I
was talking about:
"Where or in whom are evils so great except our own?
The Franks are ignorant of this crime of injustice.
The Huns are immune to these crimes. There are no
wrongs among the Vandals and none among the Goths. So
far are the barbarians from tolerating these
injustices among the Goths, that not even the Romans
who live among them suffer them. Therefore, in the
districts taken over by the barbarians, there is one
desire among all the Romans, that they should never
again find it necessary to pass under Roman
jurisdiction. In those regions, it is the one and
general prayer of the Roman people that they be
allowed to carry on the life they lead with the
barbarians. And we wonder why the Goths are not
conquered by our portion of the population, when the
Romans prefer to live among them rather than with us.
Our brothers, therefore, are not only altogether
unwilling to flee to us from them, but they even cast
us aside in order to flee to them."
Source: Salvian, the Presbyter Writings. Trans.
Jeremiah F. O'Sullivan. Washington: The Catholic
University of America Press, 1962, p.141.
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