Re: Odin and Zalmoxes - same religion?

--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> Jordanes:
> "
> (38) We read that on their first migration the Goths dwelt in the
> land of Scythia near Lake Maeotis. On the second migration they

went

> to Moesia, Thrace and Dacia, and after their third they dwelt again
> in Scythia, above the Sea of Pontus. Nor do we find anywhere in

their

> written records legends which tell of their subjection to slavery

in

> Britain or in some other island, or of their redemption by a

certain

> man at the cost of a single horse. Of course if anyone in our city
> says that the Goths had an origin different from that I have

related,

> let him object. For myself, I prefer to believe what I have read,
> rather than put trust in old wives' tales. (39) To return, then, to
> my subject. The aforesaid race of which I speak is known to have

had

> Filimer as king while they remained in their first home in Scythia
> near Maeotis. In their second home, that is in the countries of
> Dacia, Thrace and Moesia, Zalmoxes reigned, whom many writers of
> annals mention as a man of remarkable learning in philosophy. Yet
> even before this they had a learned man Zeuta, and after him
> Dicineus; and the third was Zalmoxes of whom I have made mention
> above. Nor did they lack teachers of wisdom. (40) Wherefore the

Goths

> have ever been wiser than other barbarians and were nearly like the
> Greeks, as Dio relates, who wrote their history and annals with a
> Greek pen. He says that those of noble birth among them, from whom
> their kings and priests were appointed, were called first
> Tarabostesei and then Pilleati.
> "
>
> I foud "pileus" somewhere as a Thracian word meaning "old man".
>
> Detschew on
> Zalmoxis, Zalimoxis, Salmoxis, Zamolxis, main god of the Getae
>
> refers to <zalmos> "protection", cognate with Gothic

hilms "helmet",

> OHG helm, AS helm also "protector" and relate -ks- to Avestan

xs^iya-

> "ruler, king", found also in names of Scythian kings. Thus "king-
> protector".
> But then I wondered: hm! is Odin involved in this? Is he a high

priest

> of the same tradition? One of his epithets is <Hjalmberi> "helmet-
> carrier"
>
> Torsten

But Latin <pileus> is a felt hat, such as worn by freed slaves (so it
might be non-Latin in origin?). As Tacitus testifies, most Germani
had no helmet, so a helmet (or whatever headgear, note the strange
pointed non-functional helmets [thus semi-hat and semi-helmet] found
in Scythian royal graves) would distinguish its bearer from his
surroundings. Is this what we know as the pointed hat (the symbol of
the "first mound" after the flood, cf. the Hittite relief showing a
man standing on two cones (mountains) while wearing a third cone
(pointed hat), it all making up a trinity of mountains) of the Magus
that their priests were wearing?

Torsten