--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> correction:
> >
> > *gut-a-, *gut-isk-
> > *got-a-, *gut-isk- (a-lowering)
> *got-a-, *got-isk- (analogy)
> > *got-a-, *göt-isk- (umlaut)
> > *göt-a-, *göt-isk- (back-formation, cf. German <Däne>)
> > Get-a-, *get-isk- (unrounding)
> >
> > As for the existence of -isk- in Thracian ethnonyms cf.
<Scordisci>
> > (unfortunately for me without umlaut, so I'll claim dialect
> > differences).
> >
> > Torsten
As for unrounding of +high, +rounded vowels, cf. from Detschew:
"
Tyrida, Tirida
1: Mart. Cap. 6, 657:
mox regio Maronea as Tyrida oppidum, in quo equi Diomediaci stabulati.
2: Plin. Nat. Hist. 4, 42:
oppidum fuit Tirida, Diomedeis equorum stabulis dirum.
...
Turris, quam Diomedis vocant, Pomp. Mela 2, 29
"
One must conclude with Detschew that the root is *tur- and thus
u > y > i
In Thracian, in other words, there was unrounding (and umlaut?
this -u- is before -i-, and Greek sources have both -u- and -ou-
elsewhere), at least in some areas. In this case, since both cases
are Latin, you can't claim, as in the Bryges/Briges case, that the
y/i variation is due to unrounding in Hellenistic Greek (but of
course Hellenistic Greek might have been the medium through which
both Romaan gentlemen first heard of the town).
Torsten