[tied] Re: "Odin of Asgard"

--- In cybalist@..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm@...> wrote:

> >--- Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm@...> wrote:
> > I quote from Strabo(7.1.3):
> > Boihaemum,7 the
> >> domain of
> >> Marabodus, the place whither he caused to migrate,
> >> not only several other
> >> peoples, but in particular the Marcomanni, his
> >> fellow-tribesmen; for after
> >> his return from Rome this man, who before had been
> >> only a private citizen,
> >> was placed in charge of the affairs of state, for,
> >> as a youth he had been
> >> at Rome and had enjoyed the favor of Augustus, and
> >> on his return he took
> >> the rulership and acquired, in addition to the
> >> peoples aforementioned, the
> >> Lugii (a large tribe), the Zumi, the Butones, the
> >> Mugilones, the Sibini,8
> >> and also the Semnones, a large tribe of the Suevi
> >> themselves. However,
> >> while some of the tribes of the Suevi dwell inside
> >> the forest, as I was
> >> saying, others dwell outside of it, and have a
> >> common boundary with the
> >> Getae.9 "
> >> "8. Scholars have suggested different emendations
> >> for "Zumi," "Butones,"
> >> "Mugilones," and "Sibini," since all these seem to
> >> be corrupt (see C.
> >> M¸ller, Ind. Var. Lect., p 981). For "Butones" it
> >> is fairly certain that Strabo wrote "Gutones" (the
> >> Goths). "
> >>
> >> Tore
> >
> >******GK: If Strabo really wrote "Gutones" here, then
> >we would have a text in which the Goths and the Getae
> >are mentioned in successive sentences as distinct peoples.*****
>
> Yes you are right.
> I don't know what is the difference between the Gutones and Getae.
> We must remember that this is the names the Romans called these

groups.

> That does not mean that they used these names themselves.
> If we accept the archaeological evidence some of these peoples

should

> already have lived there for about 200 years and been well

established and

> split in various clans.
>
> From the archaeological findings there are very strong trade

relations

> between Gotland and that area all that time.
>
>
> I only have the English translation. Normally I want to see the

Greek or

> Latin original. Some of these old books I have in Loeb Classical

Library

> where the English translation is on the right hand pages and the

original

> text on the left hand pages.
> Tore

Yes, thank God for Loeb.
As for Butones = Gutones this still depends on an emendation.

More from Detschew:

Gete:noí as designation for the Getae [als Bezeichnung der Geten],
Steph. Byz. 206, 10

also

Getas, Gete:s, Geta, name
1. king of the Edones
... (from Boeotia, Alexandria, as slave name)

BTW how old is the personal name Göte in Swedish (cf. Dan and Vagn
(from wagnijo?) in Danish)?

Torsten